LSD for DSG on a GTI

[John Deere]

Hehe, yeah, mashing happens!

[FIR-26T]

Hi John, I too have exactly the same dilemma as you wanting to get more power to the ground and through corners with the DSG PIRELLI…
Trust me LSD is worth every penny…..
Not only will you have more grip taking off, breaking will be improved and acceleration through the corners will amaze you….
Like others have said you can actually feel LSD pull the car out of the corner with so much more traction….

I owned a Renault Megane R26 which has an LSD and let me tell you it’s the BOMB…..
I tracked the Renault Megane R26, way too many times and even though I had less power I was overtaking modified GTI’s and modified R32’s on the track…. I must say i am an aggressive driver "a bit" and like to test the limits.....
That could have been you that I have overtaken several times on the race track
You will improve your lap times by 2-3 seconds easily…. If you’re a pro driver then expect more…..
To give you an idea around Wakefield Park my best lap time was 1:11.85 and first time at Eastern Creek I got a 1:55….. Could easily drop another 3-4 seconds at EC as I was taking it easy
If your chasing times on track then an LSD is the way to go…..
If anyone attends a track day im more then happy to attend and give you a few pointers, driving lines etc......
Hope to see a few of you guys on the track soon....

The LSD is great and for general road use its even better, safer and NOT a waste of time….. Several times while driving the R26 on public roads, I had to slam my brakes because of cars merging into my lane out of the blue…. The LSD will assist and compliment the ABS and will not pull your car to one side as I have found out with the PIRELLI……
I cannot stress how much I want an LSD to be installed on my current PIRELLI…..
Every time I enter the corner with the PIRELLI I laugh at how different the cornering is without a LSD.....
At one stage I wanted to sell the PIRELLI and go back to the R26 just because of that….
BUT I must say the VW are better build and user friendly….. AND I fell in love with the DSG, can’t believe I said that, even though I prefer a clutch….. Bit of contradiction….
So I’m making an effort to mod a few things……

QUAIFE is a company in the USA who manufacture/import LSD for various cars as others have mentioned…..
I already inquired and an LSD for a 2008 MKV Golf GTI PIRELLI will cost $1600 plus $200-$300 postage….
Labour cost to install the LSD I am not aware of…..
Since some of you fellas are going to Derek, how much is he charging for labour????

Obviously a good set of sticky tyres will compliment the LSD and further improve the cornering capabilities….
Tyre pressure is very crucial…..
Try a tyres pressure of 25 PSI (COLD) on your front tyres when you’re on the track to make the tyre flex and do its job properly….
Don’t get scared if the tyres look deflated…..
The PSI will increase once the tyres warm up by 5-10 PSI, depending how hard you drive, meaning it will rise to 30+ and once the tyres warm up bring the PSI up/down to 30/32 (HOT)….
You will need to repeat this process 2-3 times coming on and off the track, try to match the tyre pressure that suites you and your driving… I see way too many drivers going on the track with too much pressure in their tyres…. They start of with 40 PSI (COLD) and by the time the tyres warm up the PSI rises to 50…….

If you install a sway bar and upgrade your suspension, once again you will notice minor changes COMPARED to the LSD….
Saying that, I would rather invest in an LSD, then if you are planning some serious track work then upgrade the above bits and pieces….

[FIR-26T]

Spoke to Derek (APR) and got quoted $2000 for labour/installing an LSD....

[Manaz]

Not only will you have more grip taking off, breaking will be improved and acceleration through the corners will amaze you….
Like others have said you can actually feel LSD pull the car out of the corner with so much more traction….

I'm very interested in knowing how an LSD helps braking (I've never heard it before, if you have data, please share, and no, I'm not taking the piss, I don't have any personal experience with an LSD, so am keen to learn before I make the decision to go with one myself!)

For what it's worth, if anyone is considering getting an LSD from ECS, let me know, I may be able to help out with a price (just ran a big GB with them, considering running another shortly).

[FIR-26T]

I am interested for sure.... Let me know how you go????

GOOD POINT, there is no actual fact (that i know of) to state that the LSD is beneficial when it comes to breaking....

Talking from personal experience while racing and owning hot hatch front wheel drive cars.... I actually mentioned it in the same post.

"I had to slam my brakes because of cars merging into my lane. The LSD will assist and compliment the ABS and will not pull your car to one side as I have found out with the PIRELLI"

PRO's of LSD;

- Both wheels will grip the road surface at the same time, no matter if its dry, wet, gravel etc....

- Assist, compliment & enhance the ABS, ESP, EBD.....

- From racing experience, you can break in the corner at high speeds (NOT recommended ), as a result the LSD will be more responsive, give the driver a greater feedback and control of the car....

- Reduces understeer if you decide to break in corners......

CON's of not having an LSD;

- If your car does not have LSD, like my PIRELLI, when you slam your breaks my front right wheel seems to do all the work (greater load on that side) while the left wheel seems to be odd and starts pulling the car to one side.....

- I can only imagine how bad the pull "to one side" will be once on the race track, if i decide to break in the corners ....

[John Deere]

I don't want to break anything, but i sometimes brake in corners!! /spelling nazi :p

Seriously, thanks for the info! They are some mighty impressive lap times too....best I could rustle up with an APR stage 1 GTI was about 2:05.

If there is a group buy and the timing is right I could be in!!

[FIR-26T]

I don't want to break anything, but i sometimes brake in corners!! /spelling nazi :p

Seriously, thanks for the info! They are some mighty impressive lap times too....best I could rustle up with an APR stage 1 GTI was about 2:05.

If there is a group buy and the timing is right I could be in!!

THANKS... Im looking at several options for buying and installing an LSD....

Will keep you fellas posted....

[Jeffie]

Come on, just get an R26 again, you know you wanna

Check out golfmkv.com but for general road use they seem to be a waste of time, they're good on the track but not on the road.

I'd check out your front tyres first, it's they cheap tyres get something decent as this will play more of a role than a LSD and if that fails changing your driving style is all there is left.

The standard LSD's fitted are around $3500 IIRC with a proper LSD $5-6000.

Gotta love keyboard veterans that know how everything works... in theory, from what others say on the net.

An LSD is GREAT on the road as all of those that have actually experienced one have stated. On a wet day on Moss Vale road, powering hard out of slow corners my R26 just gripped and launched up the road. No ESP intervention, no wheelspin, just acceleration.

[Golf Houso]

Gotta love keyboard veterans that know how everything works... in theory, from what others say on the net.

An LSD is GREAT on the road as all of those that have actually experienced one have stated. On a wet day on Moss Vale road, powering hard out of slow corners my R26 just gripped and launched up the road. No ESP intervention, no wheelspin, just acceleration.

Definately, its so easy to complain something you have no concept of but until you drive a high HP fwd with an LSD you'll understand exactly what its for. The car is just begging you for a rapid launch, let alone the assistance it provides through corners.

Pirelli, I reckon you'd easily shave off 0.5 of a second off your WSID time with it no less...

[FIR-26T]

Gotta love keyboard veterans that know how everything works... in theory, from what others say on the net.

An LSD is GREAT on the road as all of those that have actually experienced one have stated. On a wet day on Moss Vale road, powering hard out of slow corners my R26 just gripped and launched up the road. No ESP intervention, no wheelspin, just acceleration.

+1 totally agree with you

[FIR-26T]

Gotta love keyboard veterans that know how everything works... in theory, from what others say on the net.

The LSD is a waste of time, EVEN though VW decided to install the unit on the MK6

ANYWAY, seems to be an expensive option ATM....

WILL get in contact with my Race Event organisors and they might be able to help me out with the LSD + Labour costs... Will keep you fellas posted....

[Big Yellow]

The LSD is a waste of time, EVEN though VW decided to install the unit on the MK6

ANYWAY, seems to be an expensive option ATM....

WILL get in contact with my Race Event organisors and they might be able to help me out with the LSD + Labour costs... Will keep you fellas posted....

Mk6 has LSD?? i thought it was some quasi-electro torque thingy, not a proper mechanical LSD

[Jeffie]

Im pretty sure its an electro torque biasing diff, but i'll wait until mav has scoured the internet and posted something hes found.

[FIR-26T]

Mk6 has LSD?? i thought it was some quasi-electro torque thingy, not a proper mechanical LSD

Thats TRUE... Its a mechanical/electronic/software thingy NOT a proper hardware LSD unit....

[TRGTI]

Come on, just get an R26 again, you know you wanna



Gotta love keyboard veterans that know how everything works... in theory, from what others say on the net.

An LSD is GREAT on the road as all of those that have actually experienced one have stated. On a wet day on Moss Vale road, powering hard out of slow corners my R26 just gripped and launched up the road. No ESP intervention, no wheelspin, just acceleration.

LSD on the road is def worth it. with the amount of power our cars are making, it helps heaps.
i've had mine in for a year now and you can definitely feel it working.
the car actually goes where you point it. which is a lot better than sitting there with the inside wheel spinning.