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    Hi,

    I recently flashed the ECU on my 2.0 TDI with a bluefin device and I thought I'd share the performance results with anyone who's interested.

    Me and my brother took the car out when it was about 25 degrees C for both runs, aircon off, traction control on, DSG in sports mode, warm engine, half a tank of diesel and no passenger. We didn't mess around with manual shifts or no traction control, because I figured the performance gains would be negligible if anything.

    To get the data, we used a small windscreen-mounted device called a Drift Box, which uses GPS data and accelerometers to measure acceleration times (among other things), so no clumsy stopwatch operator or speedo needle-watching here.

    Another thing, DSG doesn't let you launch at full pelt to conserve the clutch I guess, but after a bit of testing, we found the best way to launch with DSG is to have your foot fully on the brake, floor the accelerator and come straight off the brake before the tacho stops at about 1500rpm (so maybe at about 1250rpm).

    I knew the car felt fast and that VWs 0-100 claims are conservative (9.3 seconds), but I was very pleased after a number of runs to see the following results.

    BEFORE THE FLASH:
    0-100: 8.4 sec
    0-60: 3.8 sec
    60-100: 4.6 sec
    80-120: 6.0 sec

    So then we flashed the ECU and didn't record our runs until a few days later so that it had a chance to "learn" the new mapping and also because the turbo (and the sun) was getting hot. Read below for my impressions.

    AFTER THE FLASH:
    0-100: 8.0 sec
    0-60: 3.7 sec
    60-100: 4.3 sec
    80-120: 5.5 sec

    So was the flash worth it? Yes. The numbers may not look overly impressive from the stock numbers, but you can definitely feel it pulling harder after 60kph (it was already quick to 60kph). The boost comes on earlier and more noticeably and the engine feels more responsive, perhaps running a little richer than before. The thump in your back when you floor it is more alarming than usual too.

    Bluefin claims to increase your power to 132kW (stock claim 103kW), torque to 395Nm (stock claim 320Nm), but note that your numbers are probably already closer to the tuned value than the stock value.

    Anyone who's interested, I bought my bluefin from JKM Motor Services in the UK for $630.

    I hope this is interesting to someone. Let me know if you've had similar experiences or any questions.
    Last edited by bongomaster; 03-01-2010, 09:26 PM.

  • #2
    Hey, that is all interesting.

    I have some interest in this but have never managed to get there with re-flashing as you say, they are well rapid enough.

    It would be interesting to get some dyno comparisons, as I have done 2 runs on 2 different dyno-dynamics dynos and returned 103KW atw.

    Hope you stick about and take some time to read the diesels section there is heaps to be learnt!

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    • #3
      Hmm, interesting. A dyno would be good to see. Maybe my car had already been flashed? I doubt it though, there was definitely a difference after the flash.

      Oh, and I forgot to mention, the economy is also supposed to increase with the bluefin (by 10%). I'll have to test this over the following month or so, but I drove 550km between Melbourne and Mildura (got 5.1 L/100km on the way up at about 25 degrees C and a similar result on the way back at about 32 degrees C), so it seems it may have improved a bit, certainly not worse. I'll see how the city driving goes.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bongomaster View Post
        Oh, and I forgot to mention, the economy is also supposed to increase with the bluefin (by 10%).
        Dont hold your breath. My fuel economy is worse now with the BlueFin - I went from easily getting under 6.0L/100km in the city to an average of about 6.5l/100km. Maybe on the highway it might be better but I have yet to test that.
        2007 Black Magic VW Golf GT TDi, Latte Leather, Sunroof, Bluefin Superchip, 18" Detroits, APR lower torque arm insert, APR Carbon Fibre Cold Air Intake system, GTi sideskirts & front lip, R32 Rear Bar, GTi Steering wheel, RNS-510,Infinity BassLink Subwoofer,stubby antenna, R8 Oil Cap, Golf R front calipers, slotted front rotors, ceramic brake pads, LITEC LED tail-lights, Dension Gateway Five, Rear Emblem Reverse Camera, H&R Ultralow coil-overs, Badge-less front grille

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        • #5
          Mine (MY07 TDI BKD) got better after the flash. I can't tell you the percentage as I am overseas at the moment but the fuel control program on my GPS that I enter the fill ups into shows a clear increase in fuel economy after the flash.

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          • #6
            I had the same experience with my bluefin on my2.0tdi, fuel economy also imrpved around 10 per cent. Its a bargain at $600 ish . I got mine at JKM as well

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            • #7
              As a future agent im keen to know how the Bluefin was $600 for a turbo engine???? its $445 in the UK and that translates to just under $800 here before posting, email already sent
              Jmac
              Alba European
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              • #8
                Nice numbers there, I got a Viezu V-Switch (formally ChippedUK ST3) from UK, also about $650 due to good aussie $, it really is excellent with noticable increases in power and economy (recently 5.0L/100km @ steady 110km/h over 450km).
                I haven't timed it yet but hoping to soon, recently upgraded to a Milltek Cat-back Twinpipe exhaust and Pipercros filter and I just got a Vagcom and believe there is a acceleration timing feature in that (ie: 0 - 100 etc).

                The bloody thing puts a smile on my face and suprises a few others.

                Regards from the topend
                Golf "R" MY19 MK7.5, Passat B8 MY16 BiTdi, Audi SQ5, Vag-Com, OBDeleven,
                Previous.. Golf MK5 TDi-GT Sport, DSG, Golf MK6 Tdi DSG,

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by marinemw View Post
                  Nice numbers there, I got a Viezu V-Switch (formally ChippedUK ST3) from UK, also about $650 due to good aussie $, it really is excellent with noticable increases in power and economy (recently 5.0L/100km @ steady 110km/h over 450km).
                  I haven't timed it yet but hoping to soon, recently upgraded to a Milltek Cat-back Twinpipe exhaust and Pipercros filter and I just got a Vagcom and believe there is a acceleration timing feature in that (ie: 0 - 100 etc).

                  The bloody thing puts a smile on my face and suprises a few others.

                  Regards from the topend
                  Did you do intake or just panel replacement filter?
                  Whats the car sound like with the Miltek Cat Back?
                  Nicer, noiseyer?

                  Thanks
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by poyta View Post
                    . My fuel economy is worse now with the BlueFin - I went from easily getting under 6.0L/100km in the city to an average of about 6.5l/100km. Maybe on the highway it might be better but I have yet to test that.
                    Just came back from a trip to Melbourne , I averaged about 5.9l /100km getting there and 6.0l /100km getting back, always travelling with the cruise control set at the correct speed limit and the aircon on about half the trip. Thats about 0.1- 0.2l worse than I did before I had the bluefin installed.
                    2007 Black Magic VW Golf GT TDi, Latte Leather, Sunroof, Bluefin Superchip, 18" Detroits, APR lower torque arm insert, APR Carbon Fibre Cold Air Intake system, GTi sideskirts & front lip, R32 Rear Bar, GTi Steering wheel, RNS-510,Infinity BassLink Subwoofer,stubby antenna, R8 Oil Cap, Golf R front calipers, slotted front rotors, ceramic brake pads, LITEC LED tail-lights, Dension Gateway Five, Rear Emblem Reverse Camera, H&R Ultralow coil-overs, Badge-less front grille

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by glidn View Post
                      Did you do intake or just panel replacement filter?
                      Whats the car sound like with the Miltek Cat Back?
                      Nicer, noiseyer?

                      Thanks
                      The "Pipercross" is a high-flow panel filter replacement (bit like K&N etc) and the whole unit already sucks cold air.

                      I have the resonated Miltek system, intermediate and rear silencers, not noisy just a different tone

                      Cheers
                      Golf "R" MY19 MK7.5, Passat B8 MY16 BiTdi, Audi SQ5, Vag-Com, OBDeleven,
                      Previous.. Golf MK5 TDi-GT Sport, DSG, Golf MK6 Tdi DSG,

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                      • #12
                        Guys,

                        Excuse my ignorance but when you buy the flash (program) do you download it over the net or do they physically send the program to you.

                        What do you need to upload the program? Does it come with instructions & a lead for connecting to the ECU?

                        I recently had a "Tunit" fitted to my car (2007 TDI Manual Jetta) as a one week trial and was very impressed with the acceleration & torque but it is fitted in series with the wiring harness to the injectors. Not just impressed.... smile on the dial stuff

                        I had thought that a flash tune of the ECU would be a more thorough way of getting performance. ie taking into account pressure, temperature, etc not just manipulating injector timing & duration.

                        Any additional information would be appreciated.

                        Thanks...
                        Last edited by Von Richthofen; 21-03-2010, 04:06 PM.
                        It's Red, It's German & It Flys!!!!
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                        2007 TDI, 6 sp Man, Leather, Alarm, Bluetooth, Tint, Bluefin, 22mm Whiteline, Afe Stage 2 & Denver 17's

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                        • #13
                          With superchips, they give you the reader thingy. You plug it into the diag port and it downloads your engine software. You then plug into your computer and upload it to superchips.

                          The then send you a link to the right software for your car. If your car is stock, you get a standard upgraded map (which is what I have). If you tell them about other stuff you have (intake, cat etc) they will roll a special map for you.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bongomaster View Post
                            ....Anyone who's interested, I bought my bluefin from JKM Motor Services in the UK for $630.
                            How did you get them to ship to you? I checked out their website and they only seem to ship to UK and Ireland.

                            Originally posted by Jmac View Post
                            As a future agent im keen to know how the Bluefin was $600 for a turbo engine???? its $445 in the UK and that translates to just under $800 here before posting
                            Yeah, I've been trying to work out the prices too, but have been a little scared to ask questions for fear of an all out flaming war like we've had in the past.

                            So I am asking respectfully where the price difference comes in and why i should look at buying from an Aus dealer like yourself over getting it directly from the UK. There's a good A$300 odd difference in price between getting it directly from Superchips in the UK versus getting it here. At the JKM price it's nearly A$400 difference.
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                            Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
                            Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

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                            • #15
                              I can get you these guys, let me know your engine and ill price it up for you no problem. Just remember from 06/09 the ecu reqs to be flashed direct.
                              Plenty before this date compatible, dont worry about a flame war mate, they clearly have too much time to waste along with other issues
                              Cheers
                              Jmac
                              Alba European
                              Service, Diagnostics and repairs. Mobile Diag available on request
                              Audi/VW/Porsche Factory trained tech 25+ yrs exp
                              For people who value experience call 0423965341

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