GIAC DSG Flash for R32

[thezoneR32]

Has anyone tried this? Sounds good. Especially the torque limiter increase feature.

[geralis32]

i dont know about the dsg flash, but i have hardly noticed any difference in the giac ecu flash, and from what i have read the dsg is for people who have charged their engines and needs to cope with more power

[maca]

I remember HP talking to me about the R32 flash, it's mainly a torque gain, not for KW. That's probably why it's not as expensive as the FI tunes, but still worth it IMO.

Ps. This isn't going to become a chip war

[manol]

i dont know about the dsg flash, but i have hardly noticed any difference in the giac ecu flash, and from what i have read the dsg is for people who have charged their engines and needs to cope with more power

You've hardly noticed any difference in your performance after the GIAC tune?! When I had mine done the car was like night and day, apart from the power increases the car was so much more responsive and nicer to drive.

[thezoneR32]

I just came out of a liberty 3.0r spec-b (which is for sale at the moment). I got the Ecutek type 4 custom reflash (and a full exhaust mod) and got another 22kw atw from an n/a! Not to mention the increased drivability overall. Much more user friendly. I was surprised at your comment geralis32 that you don’t notice the gain. I suppose every car is different. Ecutek is well respected UK Subaru and evo specialist. I am new to VW and I don’t know the reputation or R&D that has gone into the GIAC flashes.

I haven’t owned the R32 long enough to think that it needs more power (I'm sure that day will come), but I am always up for more available low down torque!

[John Deere]

Does APR do this for a DSG to match the Stage 1 GTI tune? With the changes to the engine in a GTI for the APR (or any) tune, I would imagine a DSG remap would be very useful.

[Big Yellow]

X2

improves torque curve and eliminates dip in power in upper rev range. Def works!

[Maverick]

Does APR do this for a DSG to match the Stage 1 GTI tune? With the changes to the engine in a GTI for the APR (or any) tune, I would imagine a DSG remap would be very useful.

Why would you think that it would be very useful?

As far as I can see you have really nothing to gain but everything to lose by flashing your DSG. Flash the DSG and you can say goodbye to your warranty and given the cost of items like the mechatronics ($4000 to replace) I'd be loathe to stuff around with it.

[John Deere]

I would have thought it would be useful as the reflash in a GTI changes power and torque significantly, so it stands to reason that a DSG programmed to operate with 20%-30% less power and torque would benefit from optimisation for current levels, particularly in the launch control area.

I hope that makes sense. Of course, I am no expert, and the warranty point is an excellent one.

[G-rig]

Has anyone tried this? Sounds good. Especially the torque limiter increase feature.

I wouldn't do a DSG retune if you care about warranty, and there have been a few issues with the DSG (ie surging and jerkiness) and wouldn't want to risk not getting it fixed under warranty. I don't think you need it unless you are pushing a lot more power, in which case hardware upgrades are better (clutch packs etc). The DSG changes fast enough as it is i thought!

i dont know about the dsg flash, but i have hardly noticed any difference in the giac ecu flash

I can tell a difference with the APR flash, but mostly the torque, which makes it easy to drive and is worth more than kW IMO.

[Big Yellow]

thats where people get the wrong idea with r32 tunes. its not about the kw gains, its the torque increases.

[G-rig]

Yeah the R32 is all about torque, and it just feels more urgent when you put your foot down and fairly effortless.

You can't expect the same gains as the GTI turbo tunes but you should be able to tell a difference..

[John Deere]

Just like an ECU re-flash "optimises" an engine, I would think the re-flash has the scope to improve a DSG.

Saying VW would have done it if it made a big difference seems a bit off the mark to me. By that rationale we should not reflash ECU's because if the engines are capable of running any better VW would have done it already. Clearly that is not the case for engines, so I remain unconvinced that it is the case for DSG's, however I agree that there would be less scope for improvement in a gearbox and the benefits are far more "argueable".

Personal preference would be a large factor.

[Guy_H]

Actually on a GTI with a K03 or K04 turbo - it would be best to optimise the shifts downward (not upward like in some DSG Flashes) - the TCU is shifting way past the optimal point in standard form and "short shifting" manually is faster.

This may vary if you have a vehicle that takes advantage of different shift points.

Technical article here:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3909806

[John Deere]

Up or down doesn't matter to me, optimising (for either performance or economy) with the modified engine output would be the key for me to want a DSG reflash.