Just got APR on the pirelli

[kryten2001]

Have you thought about keeping it VW and fitting R32 brakes instead of Brembos?

Bazzle

No, not really. I wasn't so concerned about keeping it OEM, and I'm not really budget constrained, so I wanted the best.

Just bummed out the 355mm brakes wont fit, 328's it'll have to be.

[POLARBEAR666]

AS far as hand held tuning from UK vs Aussie tuning.

How does APR cater to switching back to your factory map when you want to go into service? Is it still just using that system of using the indicator stalk.

SEcondly, the bluefin tunes seem to be a modified version of YOUR factory map, which is important if it contains any electronic identifiers.

I am not convinced either way but from what I have seen I prefer to have the control of loading and unloading maps and also upgrades.

I don't want to have to head to some dealer (who may have closed down) just to get the map put back on if the dealership wipes my cars ecu.

[kryten2001]

How does APR cater to switching back to your factory map when you want to go into service? Is it still just using that system of using the indicator stalk.

Yeah you just turn the car on with the cruise control turned on, and hold down the set button until you get program 1 (tuned) or program 2 (stock). Then release the set button, and you're away.

I am not convinced either way but from what I have seen I prefer to have the control of loading and unloading maps and also upgrades.

Yeah the APR stuff allows you to load up all sorts of maps/tunes, and they offer free upgrades as you modify your hardware too. I need to get a new tune when the exhaust/fuel pump goes in, and that's all included.. Apparently.

I don't want to have to head to some dealer (who may have closed down) just to get the map put back on if the dealership wipes my cars ecu.

I'm not really sure how that part works. I don't think the dealership can see the program unless they go looking for it, and apparently the new APR stuff has some sort of 'secret' keycode or procedure before the regular stalk-program can be used. I didn't opt for it, as I'm not really all that fussed. The local APR rep here only does the APR as an aside, they're a qualified Audi workshop so I'm sure they'll be around for a while.

It's a fair point though, who does a reprogram if the local rep goes belly up.

All in all though, I couldn't be happier. The performance upgrade is significant, the car really is quite brutal. I just hope the DSG is up to the task of handling all that torque.

[Maverick]

AS far as hand held tuning from UK vs Aussie tuning.

How does APR cater to switching back to your factory map when you want to go into service? Is it still just using that system of using the indicator stalk.

You switch to the programs via the indicator stalk. The dealer doesn't know that it's there if you enable the security lockout that requires a pin.

SEcondly, the bluefin tunes seem to be a modified version of YOUR factory map, which is important if it contains any electronic identifiers.

As is the APR. There are no specific maps for each car. They create the occasional upgrade to a map but there are not that many variations. The dealer can't tell the difference with either system.

I am not convinced either way but from what I have seen I prefer to have the control of loading and unloading maps and also upgrades.

Why? You can swap via the cruise control stalk with APR in around 15 seconds and can even do it whilst driving (although it recommends against this). Upgrades if there are any are performed free by the APR dealer.

The handheld unit takes around 12 minutes to change the mappings on the car.

I don't want to have to head to some dealer (who may have closed down) just to get the map put back on if the dealership wipes my cars ecu.

The chances of the dealership applying an update to your car is very remote, there was one update that I know off for the TSI and that was the early ones. The GTI hasn't had an update for years.

Don't forget that if the handheld unit needs an upgrade (although hopefully they sorted out all the problems) it has to be sent back to the UK so while it's away you can't change maps.

They both have pros and cons and the bluefin is a good device but local support is not there and if something goes wrong you're on your own. After the problems with ChippedUK and it's ST3 rubbish I'm steering clear of the handheld devices and going with local support. I really like(d) the concept but there are too many variables and from what I can see insufficient testing before they're released.

Having the flash done directly by people that can recover the ECU if something goes wrong and that have local support is the way to go, be it APR, GIAC or REVO research the product, research the backup and make up your own mind. Buying on price alone is foolhardy in my opinion because like with many things you get what you pay for.

[gtimk5]

I dont think we need to go down the same old VERY boring subject of chips.
This always offends some very sensitive people here and turns into a bunfight.
Anymore chat about different companies will be deleted asap.
This is not the topic here.....

[GeorgeS3]

Kryten2001,

After 4 days of chipped performance in the Pirelli, how have you found the traction, especially when cornering.

[kryten2001]

Kryten2001,

After 4 days of chipped performance in the Pirelli, how have you found the traction, especially when cornering.

No problem. I've had it on 3/4 power going around both tight and sweeping bends, and I've had no problems. I wasn't game to put the foot down any further, it was already accelerating like a banshee.

The TC light did come on once on doing a kickdown from 3rd to 2nd at 80km/h, though (in a straight line).... powwaaaaa !....

A LSD might be nice for lower speed acceleration..

I tell ya if it was a RWD it would be automotive nirvana. Mind you, with all that power I've not encountered any problems with torque steer, so it's very good.

Absolutely 100% sold on DSG. I was a real manual purist until I drove a DSG car, now I'm a convert.

[Maverick]

I tell ya if it was a RWD it would be automotive nirvana. Mind you, with all that power I've not encountered any problems with torque steer, so it's very good.

The reason for the lack of torque steer is that the electromagnetic steering system counteracts the torque automatically.

[kryten2001]

The reason for the lack of torque steer is that the electromagnetic steering system counteracts the torque automatically.

Those germans think of everything.

[Edra]

How come the 355 mm brembos dont fit dammit, is it just the 18s are too small? I had my heart set on the white 355mm brembo cal

Its quite remarkable to think that with just a flash and APR fuel pump,
its producing 230kw and 430 nm
with full exhaust 240kw ( 322 hp)
and with 104 octane race fuel 260 kw (350 hp)
the 5 door Pirelli weighs in at a shade over 1380kg, DSG included.

so on paper its a quick car.

[kryten2001]

How come the 355 mm brembos dont fit dammit, is it just the 18s are too small? I had my heart set on the white 355mm brembo cal

Apparently there's not enough clearance.

No matter, 328's will be more than sufficient.

The AUD is killing us.. everything is currently being requoted....

[bazzle]

I know you prob wont need this info but R32 rotors are 334mm.

or these http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3419408

Bazzle

[Zebby]

[QUOTE=kryten2001;275593]Yeah you just turn the car on with the cruise control turned on, and hold down the set button until you get program 1 (tuned) or program 2 (stock). Then release the set button, and you're away.


Hi,

are you sure this is the procedure. I have APR Stage 1 program, car bought with it already, and was told it was the other way around. Hold cruise control set button until EPC blinks once per second, stock, and then after five seconds it starts blinking twice per second which is the APR Stage 1 program turned on. Yours seems to be the other way around ?:

[Maverick]

Hi,

are you sure this is the procedure. I have APR Stage 1 program, car bought with it already, and was told it was the other way around. Hold cruise control set button until EPC blinks once per second, stock, and then after five seconds it starts blinking twice per second which is the APR Stage 1 program turned on. Yours seems to be the other way around ?:

The first program is also the one that the car defaults to if the battery is disconnected and should be stock although you can put the maps on there in any order if you want.

[kryten2001]

[QUOTE=Zebby;277066]

Yeah you just turn the car on with the cruise control turned on, and hold down the set button until you get program 1 (tuned) or program 2 (stock). Then release the set button, and you're away.


Hi,

are you sure this is the procedure. I have APR Stage 1 program, car bought with it already, and was told it was the other way around. Hold cruise control set button until EPC blinks once per second, stock, and then after five seconds it starts blinking twice per second which is the APR Stage 1 program turned on. Yours seems to be the other way around ?:

Nar, not on mine... Dunno?...

The 'default' map as the other posted said, is the one it defaults to.. Mine's been set to default to APR.

No matter, I've not even tried it... Seems rather pointless to change maps.. Kinda like not using the Turbo button on an IBM XT....

Now I'm showing my age...