Reliability

[Russ59]

...especially since you can buy oil AND filter direct from VW at about $90, and even then the oil is a bit pricey...

I just bought oil and a filter for the son's '07 Comfortline TDI that we've just purchased and it cost me $136 inc GST. from the only VW dealer in the area, and they're located in Wollongong, 80 k's away from me .

I thought that was bad enough, I don't understand why the oil and filter is so much cheaper in Qld though ?? Are you sure they're not substituting coconut oil in it to reduce costs ??

[Greg Roles]

Perhaps Russ it's because I bought up last Feb, so mabey it's gone up. I paid $73.86 for each 5L 507 Castrol Edge oil and $17.04 for the genuine filters. Plus GST is bang on $100 a change.

$36 extra is a bit steep. I'm getting my 30k service next week, so I'll price them again. Perhaps you just look "rich"? What's a 30k service worth and what do they do??

[Golf Houso]

... and $17.04 for the genuine filters...

Thats very close to the cost for an oil filter for a MK3 2.0L which recently was $15.82 at McGrath Liverpool. To make you feel better an oil filter for a MK3 VR6 is $58 throughout any VW parts center

[Russ59]

Perhaps Russ it's because I bought up last Feb, so mabey it's gone up. I paid $73.86 for each 5L 507 Castrol Edge oil and $17.04 for the genuine filters. Plus GST is bang on $100 a change.

$36 extra is a bit steep. I'm getting my 30k service next week, so I'll price them again. Perhaps you just look "rich"? What's a 30k service worth and what do they do??

Yeah Greg, they probably have gone up in price, what hasn't I don't think I would come off as looking rich, I only ever rock up in casual gear and runners, no suit and tie, and I only wear el cheapo sunnies as well not the yuppy style. Not sure exactly what a 30000 k service is worth but I think I read somewhere that it's about $350 (not 100 % sure though) but if that's the case they can't be doing a great deal extra, maybe brake fluid and coolant as well as oil and the filter ??

Russ

[Russ59]

To make you feel better an oil filter for a MK3 VR6 is $58 throughout any VW parts center

They must be 18 ct gold plated at that price

That was the one good part about servicing the Falcons, you could buy your filters, oil and just about anything you needed for servicing from the likes of Super Cheap, Auto Barn etc.... and you didn't have to leave an arm or a leg as a deposit

Russ

[PassatB6]

Here is a link to a site which is not about people's unreliable reports about their cars (such as in JD Power) but actual failure statistics. Toyota and VW are about the same.

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/ma...type=relindex#

[anthony]

My first VW,A 1988 JETTA in South Africa,served me first,and then my Father,and did over 300000 trouble free kilometers,us both saying it was the best car we have ever owned.
I then had a Jetta 3 for under 2 years in the USA,and did 61000 kilometers-no problems at all.
I then had a Jetta 3 in South Africa,did 107000 kilometers in it,and NO PROBLEMS at all,once again.
I have owned a Ford and Holden product in between,but now own a 2007 MY Jetta,done 37000 kilometers,and besides a few rattles and squeeks,no mechanical faults.
I beleive VW quality,and reliability to be way above average.
In the family have also had Mercedes,BMW,Toyota Mazda,and Honda products.
The Corollas have also been superb.

[gregozedobe]

Here is a link to a site which is not about people's unreliable reports about their cars (such as in JD Power) but actual failure statistics. Toyota and VW are about the same.

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/ma...type=relindex#

Thanks for that link. Interesting the difference between the US and UK figures for VW and Toyota (different basis and different rankings). Note that VW didn't sell many TDIs in the US in recent years (for various reasons). Skoda did well in the UK (but not as well as Suzuki, Honda and Mazda).

Pity we can't get unbiased figures on how different brands fare in Oz (and we all know why that is, don't we )

[Guest212]

They already are there if you take into account the extra features that they have and exclude these from the survey. And remove the people who can't figure out how to drive and operate them and whom would be better suited to driving an appliance that just has an on and off button.
Which people? You mean the majority of this country? Who's brains don't work in a way which allows them to work effectively with certain computer interfaces which require a good short term memory due to the complexity/depth of the menu designs? Arugement fail. Just because you find something easy to understand and use doesn't mean the rest of the world is stupider because they can't. Note: i find the VW's MFD menu system in the golf, and even on the radio pretty easy to follow but thats because I can get my head around that stuff but I work with enough normal every day to people to make a judgement that the majority of the people in australia financially capable of purchasing a vehicle are rarely computer savvy enough to go further than Start>Programs>Microsoft Word - so what chance do they have of operating a non-GUI interface? Even smart businessmen with enough money to buy 911 GT2s as daily drivers can struggle with a computer interface which doesn't have big pretty friendly buttons next to the various options.


VW have never said that they want to be that, they plan to be the worlds number 1 car manufacturer and they are well on the way.
So, they want to be number one. Which means they want to be the Toyota of europe. Seeing as they can't be the Toyota of Japan I figure they can't be the Toyota of Australia or america or brazil or poland.


They're making cars that cover all requirements and cover them well, the Tiguan has knocked the Rav4 off the podium as the top selling SUV in the EU.ok



As opposed to what a Corolla or Getz? If you find the Golf a boring turd I'd hate to think what you consider the Corolla or Getz as
You musn't have spoken english as your first language because you have trouble understanding my poorley structured sentences which noone else I've ever spoken to has had trouble understanding. VW has "badge history" read: there is history behind the badge. This enables them to put their badge on just about anything and it will sell because of it. Toyota have a similar story, except their badge history is one of reliability, build quality and high resale value. We all know that its not really the case anymore but you can't tell a 'yota owner this


Why would they want to be known as a company that builds ultra reliable boring cars with not many features where'd I say this was the case?

Maverick = brand fanboy.

Well, either that or MASSIVE denial that he LOATHES his vehicle.

Alternatively the VW is actually is dad's car (edit: ok ok now i'm stirring :p)

[Maverick]

Maverick = brand fanboy.

Well, either that or MASSIVE denial that he LOATHES his vehicle.

I'm not a brand fanboy, the golf is an awesome car for the money and the build quality is second to none. It's the first car that I've owned that I'm almost 100% happy with thanks to the features, quality of build and so forth.

You mean the majority of this country? Who's brains don't work in a way which allows them to work effectively with certain computer interfaces which require a good short term memory due to the complexity/depth of the menu designs? Arugement fail.

There's nothing complex about the menu designs, if they can't figure out how to navigate the MFD then they have no right to be driving on the road. There's a manual in the glovebox to assist them and they can drop back to their dealer if required.

So, they want to be number one. Which means they want to be the Toyota of europe. Seeing as they can't be the Toyota of Japan I figure they can't be the Toyota of Australia or america or brazil or poland.

Why do they want to be the Toyota of Europe? This makes no sense at all, they have ambitions to be the number 1 car company by volume.

You musn't have spoken english as your first language because you have trouble understanding my poorley structured sentences which noone else I've ever spoken to has had trouble understanding. VW has "badge history" read: there is history behind the badge. This enables them to put their badge on just about anything and it will sell because of it.

Perhaps they've been too nice to tell you that you make no sense when you talk. People don't buy a VW because of the badge, they might buy a BMW or Mercedes for that reason. I purchased a VW because the car suited my requires.

Toyota have a similar story, except their badge history is one of reliability, build quality and high resale value. We all know that its not really the case anymore but you can't tell a 'yota owner this

The Corolla leads it's class in reliability and resale. People buy Toyota for this reason and they will continue to do so.

where'd I say this was the case?

The part where you said "VW want to become the Toyota of ... "

[Transporter]

Come on people Golf and even Touareg is easy to drive you don't need 500 pages manual, my 20 and 22 years old daughters have no problem to drive them and so far they didn't have to use the owner's manual.
The MFD is intuitive to use and I think it is easier to use than microwave.