Does anyone have a manual Jetta TFSI?

[Pullstarter]

Very inclined to hammering LOL.

[Maverick]

I beleive the Jetta 1.4 TSI is coming SOON.
It will be the first VW product with the 7 speed DSG,and WILL be available as a 6 speed manual also.
I would consider that as a strong option.

The 7 speed DSG is limited in how much power it can take (250nm), it's currently available overseas in the Golf and other platforms.

Interesting Figures from the DSG World

* 0.4 liters fuel per 100 kilometers fuel savings on Golf TSI (122 PS) plus 7-speed DSG compared to identically powered counterpart with 6-speed manual transmission
* 1.7 liters of oil are at work in the 7-speed DSG
* 6 models can currently be ordered with 7-speed DSG
* 6.5 liters of oil are at work in the 6-speed DSG
* 70 kilograms is the weight of the 7-speed DSG
* 93 kilograms is the weight of the 6-speed DSG
* 105 PS is the power output of the currently "smallest" Volkswagen engine with DSG
* 140 degrees (maximum) hot oil surrounds the control module (mechatronics) on the 6-speed DSG
* 226 employees work in DSG production
* 250 Newton-meter is the maximum torque of engines that are paired with Volkswagen’s 7-speed DSG
* 300 PS is the power output of the currently "largest" Volkswagen engine with DSG
* 350 Newton-meter is the maximum torque of engines that are paired with Volkswagen’s 6-speed DSG
* 750 7-speed DSGs are already being produced every day at transmission plant in Kassel
* 1,500 6-speed DSGs leave the Kassel transmission plant daily
* 2003: first 6-speed DSG is introduced (on the Golf R32)
* 2004: 6-speed DSG is used in combination with a turbodiesel for the first time (on Golf TDI and Touran TDI with 105 PS and 140 PS, respectively)
* 2004: new Golf GTI offers a TSI paired with DSG for the first time
* 2005: first Bugatti Veyron 16.4 with DSG is delivered
* 2007: new Golf TSI with 122 PS and 7-speed DSG already places 2nd in Environmental Automobile List of the Verkehrsclub Deutschland (VCD; "German Travel Club") for the compact class
* 2007: Golf GT Sport with 170 PS strong TSI plus 6-speed DSG wins Technological Innovation of the Year award in Barcelona
* 2007: at the end of this year series production was started for the 7-speed DSG
* 2008: new Golf TSI with 122 PS and 7-speed DSG earns "Yellow Angel 2008" award by ADAC in "Innovation and Environment" category
* 150,000 6-speed DSGs – this DSG production milestone was surpassed at the Kassel transmission plant in 2005
* 400,000 is the number of Volkswagens sold worldwide with DSG in 2007
* 1,000,000 6-speed DSGs – this DSG production milestone was surpassed at the Kassel transmission plant in 2007
* 2,000,000 is the number of test kilometers covered by the 7-speed DSG over the course of its development

[moguzhan]

the DSG is **** on the jetta turbo.

it up clicks gears wayyyyy too early. so if youre driving normally and then want to give it gas, you have to release the gas pedal then press down again for it to go. otherwise it shudders and hits 6th gear at 60kms trying to hit 100km.

the other major fault with it, is that if the car is on a steep hill or slanted road, its a bitch trying to move it to D from P. You get it done, but it goes "CLONK" after it moves.

there is other good points though. i'll let others tell them.

[Maverick]

the DSG is **** on the jetta turbo.

it up clicks gears wayyyyy too early. so if youre driving normally and then want to give it gas, you have to release the gas pedal then press down again for it to go. otherwise it shudders and hits 6th gear at 60kms trying to hit 100km.

Sounds like operator error, put it in S mode or reset it and get it to relearn as it adapts to your driving style.

the other major fault with it, is that if the car is on a steep hill or slanted road, its a bitch trying to move it to D from P. You get it done, but it goes "CLONK" after it moves.

Try parking the car correctly on a hill or slope, put the transmission in neutral, put the hand brake on, release the handbrake and let the car settle before putting it in Park.

This applies to all automatics or you end up having the car transmission hold it in place and not the park brake.

there is other good points though. i'll let others tell them.

If you know how to operate the gearbox it's great!

[gerhard]

One key difference between the 7 and 6 speed is the 7 speed runs dry clutches. The 6 speed runs wet clutches, oil activated.

Hence the different oil capacities for each one.

I read somewhere that VW has tested the DSG 6 with a couple of cars running 500nm with no problems, and anecdotal evidence suggests that chipped cars running 400nm are having no problems with the box that can be attributed to the torque. The 3 Nurburgring Sciroccos ran DSGs with about 300ps but torque was tuned to 350nm, thus matching the box perfectly - but they were in a 24 hour race so they were always flat out in every gear.

When driven sedately in the burbs, it does take some getting used to, due to the seemingly crazy low upshift points. You will definitely get "forward motion lag" if you suddenly want to accelerate in a hurry while driving sedately.

But that's what happens if you are in the same scenario in a manual - you have to think, declutch, think about which gear you really want, select that gear, release the clutch, and go. This will also give you "forward motion lag", you just don't notice it as much.

When I am approaching the areas where the DSG can fall into the hole a bit, I now just snick the box into sport mode, and then snick back to D. I find this better than using manual mode - I drove 10k home in 5th after using manual mode to get onto a freeway, cause the engine spins so freely and quietly I didn't notice I wasn't in 6th It's the alzheimers, I swear and it was all 80k speed zone on cruise control.....

The DSG does not behave like a torque converter auto box, and it takes a bit of adaptation to get the best out of it, including operator override when necessary.

[WEDEL.1]

Very interesting reading boys.....

Maris

[Pullstarter]

I guess the main thing that worries me with a DSG is that I'll be buying a car that's 2-ish years old and I don't want to have to pay astronomical dollars to get it fixed if something goes wrong. I'm very techno-phobic when it comes to complex electronic transmissions and I've seen how much they cost to get rebuilt.

[brad]

I guess the main thing that worries me with a DSG is that I'll be buying a car that's 2-ish years old and I don't want to have to pay astronomical dollars to get it fixed if something goes wrong. I'm very techno-phobic when it comes to complex electronic transmissions and I've seen how much they cost to get rebuilt.

Buy the VW extended warranty

[gregozedobe]

Buy the VW extended warranty

and a manual gearbox

[VW Convert]

the DSG is **** on the jetta turbo.

it up clicks gears wayyyyy too early. so if youre driving normally and then want to give it gas, you have to release the gas pedal then press down again for it to go. otherwise it shudders and hits 6th gear at 60kms trying to hit 100km.

the other major fault with it, is that if the car is on a steep hill or slanted road, its a bitch trying to move it to D from P. You get it done, but it goes "CLONK" after it moves.

there is other good points though. i'll let others tell them.

Never expereienced anything remotely like that with mine, had it checked by the dealer?

Cheers

George

[blutopless2]

i agree with the early shift pattern being a pain... and its not operator error i can assure you all... when in "D" it is programmed for economy... so it will shift into 6th gear at 60kmh.
"S" is the complete opposite... it holds the gear way too long.. its like the shift program doesn't take into account what throttle % you have and just hangs on until you hit a certain rpm to shift up.
when on a hill it shouldn't clunk shifting it into park... i know mine doesn't.
putting it into neutral first should make no difference as the clutches should be engaged to put the box into neutral when you have your foot on the brake.... that's why when you release the brake on a hill you roll back slightly. something that will be fixed when "hill hold" is introduced..
other thing i notice is when reversing.. can't seem to put ANY throttle % on when reversing without doing kangas.... and have spoken with an owner of a passat diesel and he told me it was way worse in the diesel due to the massive torque
after using the dsg for a few months you learn when/where to slip into manual mode when you want to just hold the gear for a little longer .. like up hills etc...

[gerhard]

i agree with the early shift pattern being a pain... and its not operator error i can assure you all... when in "D" it is programmed for economy... so it will shift into 6th gear at 60kmh.
"S" is the complete opposite... it holds the gear way too long.. its like the shift program doesn't take into account what throttle % you have and just hangs on until you hit a certain rpm to shift up.
when on a hill it shouldn't clunk shifting it into park... i know mine doesn't.
putting it into neutral first should make no difference as the clutches should be engaged to put the box into neutral when you have your foot on the brake.... that's why when you release the brake on a hill you roll back slightly. something that will be fixed when "hill hold" is introduced..
other thing i notice is when reversing.. can't seem to put ANY throttle % on when reversing without doing kangas.... and have spoken with an owner of a passat diesel and he told me it was way worse in the diesel due to the massive torque
after using the dsg for a few months you learn when/where to slip into manual mode when you want to just hold the gear for a little longer .. like up hills etc...

A tip for hill starts - use the handbrake - the car will engage clutch and hold, unlike with the footbrake where the clutch releases.

It would be nice to have a user programmable mode in between sport and drive - TCU flash anyone

Be thankful the DSG shifts into 6th at a low speed - a lot of the LC200 diesel owners complain that theirs won't shift into 6th gear under 120-130kph

[blutopless2]

A tip for hill starts - use the handbrake - the car will engage clutch and hold, unlike with the footbrake where the clutch releases.

personally dont have a prob with hill starting... bit surprising the first few times it rolls back a touch but then you get used to it and know it wont roll half a car length.

Am curious about the handbrake idea and whether it would be causing damage etc.. as this means the clutches are slipping all the time trying to move the car forward against the handbrake.

[gerhard]

personally dont have a prob with hill starting... bit surprising the first few times it rolls back a touch but then you get used to it and know it wont roll half a car length.

Am curious about the handbrake idea and whether it would be causing damage etc.. as this means the clutches are slipping all the time trying to move the car forward against the handbrake.

It's useful to know if you need to get out of a parking spot on a steepish hill, where rolling back is not an option.

I don't use it as a routine option, but if the clutches can stand a launch from 3000rpm repeatedly without damage, I doubt the occasional handbrake use would cause any problem.

Also there would be mention in the manual to never use the handbrake in gear if it would cause any damage - if it's in there, I missed it