Big Turbo Kit options for 2.0T here in Australia...

[Sloth]

I am currently considering upgrading to a big turbo kit, and naturally with already having the GIAC programming, going that route is the logical options for me rather than the APR option though which I do also like. The 285kw/450nm APR kit with bigger IC and with the front exhaust section would be what I would go for if I went that way, although the goapr.com.au site does show that the kit for my AWD car is still being developed.

Has anyone heard whether or not the GIAC / VF engineering kit (or AWE/GIAC) will be available officially here in Australia ? I did ask Lucas about 6months ago but I didn't seem to get any clear direction / specs / pricing etc. Has anyone in Australia fitted such a kit yet to a 2.0T ?

Do any other tuners or engineering companies do a BT kit for the BWA 2.0T and have an official distributor here in Australia ?

[anarchycamp]

Hi Sloth....what you doing over here? (from the tex that is) weclome!

cant answer your question though other than say, talk to Seb/Guy/Derek :p helpful arent i....

[Guy_H]

The Quattro has a completely different set of hardware compared to the FWD and we have been using our own A3 2.0T Quattro to pattern the parts required to get it all to fit onto the quattro.

We already have the engine calibrations for the AUS spec BWA 2.0T's so software is a non issue (its the same as the GTI kit we are selling) - and you can see some of our exhaust development that will carry over onto the stage 3 kit (with dual dump pipe) here:

http://www.ozaudi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15857

We also now have the go ahead to develop the kit for the S3 - the hardware will be the same as the A3 quattro!



As with our RHD specific 1.8T kit, most of them will be exported to the UK

[nismo23]

Got to say the stock front pipe is a disgrace..... but 2.5K for any fp is out of this world...Maybe if it was titanium, even then a whole Kakimoto exhaust would only be 2.5K for jdm vehicle.....****

[Guy_H]

Good thing its not JDM then!

[Logzy]

Got to say the stock front pipe is a disgrace..... but 2.5K for any fp is out of this world...Maybe if it was titanium, even then a whole Kakimoto exhaust would only be 2.5K for jdm vehicle.....****

Forget the stock being a discrace. The price of 2.5k for a front pipe is an even bigger disgrace.

[VW GTI]

Forget the stock being a discrace. The price of 2.5k for a front pipe is an even bigger disgrace.

Paying $70k for a car that has a stock downpipe like that is more of a disgrace. You pay for quality, it's Audi that isn't delivering in this instance.

[Logzy]

Paying $70k for a car that has a stock downpipe like that is more of a disgrace. You pay for quality, it's Audi that isn't delivering in this instance.

True, and this in turn then opens up the opportunity to charge over the top for aftermarket mods and accessories.

[VW Convert]

Got to say the stock front pipe is a disgrace..... but 2.5K for any fp is out of this world...Maybe if it was titanium, even then a whole Kakimoto exhaust would only be 2.5K for jdm vehicle.....****

True, and this in turn then opens up the opportunity to charge over the top for aftermarket mods and accessories.

Having been in the automotive parts business for longer than I care to admit I think you guys are being pretty tough making those statements. The cost of developing, testing and manufacturing any product is high and on what I would perceive to be a relatively low volume product, costs are amortised over a relatively small number of units.

Any manufacturer has to recoup development costs in order to justify the investment. The reality is that if $2.5K is not a fair market price, the product will not be a success and/or a competitor may decide to make a similar investment in order to capture the market at a lower price but in doing so takes the risk of not receiving an adequate return on investment.


Cheers

George

[Logzy]

I agree to a certain extent here George as I am a Product Development Engineer as my occupation.
We are talking about a pipe here though and not a new controller for mission control to pilot the space shuttle.

Ultimatley though there will be a small number that are willing to pay the 2.5k, if the price was lower though then one may find that even more would purchase.
It is always a hard one knowing where to price something in the market.
Do you go for high profit and low volume or lower profit and high volume.

[VW Convert]

I agree to a certain extent here George as I am a Product Development Engineer as my occupation.
We are talking about a pipe here though and not a new controller for mission control to pilot the space shuttle.

Ultimatley though there will be a small number that are willing to pay the 2.5k, if the price was lower though then one may find that even more would purchase.
It is always a hard one knowing where to price something in the market.
Do you go for high profit and low volume or lower profit and high volume.

Hi Leigh,

You make some valid points no doubt about that. Personally I don't think this particular item would sell in large volumes no matter what the price, the reality is that the majority of owners don't mod their cars anyway so the pool of potential customers is relatively small. Others may disagree with this assessment and that is fair enough.

The issue that any manufacturer has to address in setting prices is the balance between price and volume. If I reduce the price by X percentage, will I increase my volume of sales sufficiently to more than offset the lower margin and ultimately achieve a greater profit? Only if the answer to that question is yes, can dropping the price be justified.

Cheers

George

[Guy_H]

Challenge to Logzy then:

Design, prototype, test, prove gains, build jigs, amortize development over expected sales of a hand built stainless steel downpipe & Euro emissions 4 Cat with warranty & a distribution network for an AWD A3 / S3 platform (less than 5mm clearance all round).

Let me see how a "Product Development Engineer" would tackle this & get it to market & at what price?

We sell our AUS developed exhaust system to Europe / UK / US / Asia - but what would we know?

Lets hear your plan & see your costings.

[Golf Houso]

Don't forget rent, bills, loans and other overheads that factor into the cost of that exhaust system. Marketing and advertising is a big part of it as well as well all know, not to mention a favourable profit margin to match. There is a lot more to that 2.5k price than just the development cost...

[nismo23]

Riiight....because its a "Totally unique" system that has never ever been seen before in this world..LOL
The design is not groundbreaking to say the least and I would expect a lot better finish than then whats on offer even if you don't get to see it.
AS for the remark about "Lucky its not jdm"
You can still get a lot more performance for the price and where do you think they got the ideas from in the first place. eg runner for the waste gate to reduce turbulence in the front pipe...My god and then charge over $2500...you must be kidding me.....Try HKS's catalogue from 8 years ago...I dont mind the vdub but lets not get carried away

[VW Convert]

Riiight....because its a "Totally unique" system that has never ever been seen before in this world..LOL
The design is not groundbreaking to say the least and I would expect a lot better finish than then whats on offer even if you don't get to see it.
AS for the remark about "Lucky its not jdm"
You can still get a lot more performance for the price and where do you think they got the ideas from in the first place. eg runner for the waste gate to reduce turbulence in the front pipe...My god and then charge over $2500...you must be kidding me.....Try HKS's catalogue from 8 years ago...I dont mind the vdub but lets not get carried away

I'm not here to defend APR, I've never had anything to do with them but if you truly believe what you are saying, surely this must be an opportunity for you to design, test, produce and market your own version at a substantially lower price and make a good quid.

Go for it, let us know when you have it ready to market, I'll be happy to see you make your fortune.

Cheers

George