MY2009 Jetta gets TSI & Common Rail TDI

[GTom]

I think they are going backwards sticking the 1.4TFSI motor into the Jetta to replace the n/a 2.0, when the turbocharger and supercharger both fail that's very expensive repairs, meaning in years to come Jetta's will be availiable very cheaply.....

BAH! .... that's ridiculous! Just because a motor has a turbo and supercharger doesn't mean it's bound to fail!

I can't believe how many people are on here saying "OOOOOHHHH be afraid it has a turbo and supercharger on it.... BOTH ARE GONNA FAIL ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!"

You will always get a % in all model line ups that are lemons. It's expected, but I highly doubt that a company as reputable as VW would put out an engine that is bound to fail!

To me it looks like the TSI technology will creep into more of the VW lineup and most likely start replacing other engines. (such as in this scenario)

Lets put it this way... Do you stop before a bridge and are afraid to cross it because it *MIGHT* fail?

If you design and manufacture a product do you design it to fail or to work!

[Tim]

If you design and manufacture a product do you design it to fail or to work!

we are talking about VWs dude

[GTom]

we are talking about VWs dude

LoL I was trying to put things in perspective.... Been looking at this forum for around 4.5 months now and whenever the TSI or DSG come up theres always a select few that ALWAYS come in and make out that the TSI and/or DSG will magically breakdown once warranty runs out!

Just my 2cents...... Rant over......

[Guest212]

Mine's got DSG. Its amazing technology.

But I won't be keeping it more than 30 seconds after the warranty runs out.

I also will be avoiding purchasing a diesel until our fuel standards improve. Commonrail is too sensitive and very expensive.

[LiFers]

You will always get a % in all model line ups that are lemons. It's expected, but I highly doubt that a company as reputable as VW would put out an engine that is bound to fail!

Have you read a JD Power survey recently? In the initial 3 years of ownership, the industry average in US is 206 faults per 100 cars. Lexus have 120, Toyota 159, Honda 177. Audi has 207, VW has 253 and Land Rover bottoms out with 344.

Of the marques tested, VW ranks 32nd out of 37. Basically, they have some of the worst build quality in the industry.

[gregozedobe]

I'll stick my neck out and predict that VAG will end up going straight turbo engines rather than supercharger AND turbo. Simply on a cost to build basis it must be a lot cheaper to make a motor with only a turbo.

If you want to see where I think they are heading then take a look at the new EA888 (or is it CCTA ? ) 1.8 petrol turbo (in Audis and Skoda Octavias in Oz so far, but watch this space). 118 Kw, 250Nm at only 1,500 rpm, along with good fuel economy and general refinement.

I can see them making a smaller version (1.4 - 1.5) that will be a good ordinary (ie non-performance) engine for Golf sized cars.

JMHO, I'm sure others will differ.

[BarneyBoy]

"In spite of the high output per litre, the high pressure level in the engine and possible engine speeds of up to 7000 rpm, the “Twincharger” is designed for a long service life – with the same criteria that apply to all power units from Volkswagen. More than 250 prototype and pilot series engines have been put through their paces in all necessary test cycles. Every single component of this new power plant has been designed for the engine service life and has come through its baptism of fire. Endurance runs corresponding to a mileage of 300,000 km (186,420 miles) have been successfully completed."

In other words, it's been tested the same way yours has.

You may as well be scared of the dark, the Boogy Man, and The Grim Reaper.

[gregozedobe]

".........– with the same criteria that apply to all power units from Volkswagen. .............."

Possibly you are referring to the engineering criteria that have in recent times given us:

1 the mechanically operated fuel pump on the 2.0 TFSI engines that wears out the cam lobes and/or followers and also delivers insufficient fuel at low-mid range revs in (some) standard engines,

2 the TDI turbos that often sieze up the (supposedly movable) turbo vanes if driven gently all the time,

3 the waterpump in T4 Transporter motors that is regularly replaced as a service item because if you don't it will sieze, breaking the timing belt and screwing your engine,

4 DPFs on TDIs that simply cannot cope with regular driving in heavy traffic.

5 The (slightly less than 100% ) reliable ignition coil packs on Golf V petrol engines

6 The famously unreliable brake light switches that are up to their 4th (or is that the 5th ? ) revision. Included here because when they fail they can cause assorted engine problems. Some versions of these even had the novel design feature that unless you knew all the secrets of installation many people broke the new switch installing it.

(and I'm sure there are plenty more)

And despite all the above I love driving my VAG vehicles

[BarneyBoy]

Yes, you're right. And that's my point exactly.

Why the TSI is always singled out as being too complex, too unreliable, &c when there exists no evidence of that at all!

In fact, it appears that there are far more examples of unreliability in other models in the range!

[Guest212]

Have you read a JD Power survey recently? In the initial 3 years of ownership, the industry average in US is 206 faults per 100 cars. Lexus have 120, Toyota 159, Honda 177. Audi has 207, VW has 253 and Land Rover bottoms out with 344.

Of the marques tested, VW ranks 32nd out of 37. Basically, they have some of the worst build quality in the industry.

I would hazard the way VW and LR market themselves and price themselves these days the people buying them would be more inclined to bitch about rattles than the person who paid 50% less by buying a nissan/toyota/suzuki etc.

[BarneyBoy]

I would hazard the way VW and LR market themselves and price themselves these days the people buying them would be more inclined to bitch about rattles than the person who paid 50% less by buying a nissan/toyota/suzuki etc.

I think it'd be nice to see how the criteria for this survey was laid out.
I've seen plenty of these and more than a few count "car not washed properly on delivery" as a fault, right alongside "complete catastrophic engine failure" also as a fault!

So I couldn't agree more with your rattle observation - talk to your run-of-the-mill Falcodore owner and see what sort of things THEY take THEIR car back to the dealer for!