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  • MY2009 Jetta gets TSI & Common Rail TDI

    Good news for ecobuyers the 2009 Jetta will get the 1.4 TSI engine which will effectively replace the naturally aspirated 2.0l FSI engine.

    Also the Pumpe Duse TDI will be replace by the quieter more fuel efficent Common Rail technology.

    Good news is pricing stays the same

    Twincharger for Jetta (August 200

    VW has widened the availability of its Twincharger four

    Volkswagen is going high-tech with Jetta and is set to replace its entry-level sedan with a new model powered by its innovative Twincharger four-cylinder engine. Largely unchanged save for the engine transplant and the option of a new DSG gearbox, the MY09 Jetta hits dealers soon.

    Already powering the Golf GT, the turbo and supercharged powerplant will replace the existing naturally-aspirated 2.0 FSI engine that currently kicks-off the Golf-based four-door's model line-up. VW will offer the Twincharger engine matched to its latest seven-speed DSG twin-clutch automated sequential gearbox as a $2500 option (up $200). A six-speed manual is standard.

    Displacing just 1.4 litres, in its Golf GT guise the awarding-winning powerplant produces 125kW and 240Nm. In the Jetta, power will be trimmed to 118kW.

    The outgoing 2.0FSI engine delivered 110kW/200Nm.

    According to Volkwagen Australia, despite the power and torque increases, the TSI/DSG combination is set to drop the Jetta's fuel consumption to a diesel-like 6.6L/100km. This is an improvement of 2.0L/100km, the company claims.

    The move is the first of "a couple" of engine downsizes for the local VW line-up commented local chief, Jutta Dierks. Though the model is more expensive than equivalent 2.0-litre cars in Europe, the price of the TSI Jetta is unchanged from the FSI model at $32,990 Down Under, she said.

    Keeping the price for the Jetta TSI at the same level as the outgoing 2.0-litre model gives VW a considerable advantage locally, Dierks told the Carsales Network.

    "It's not that we replace the 2.0-litre model with the 1.4. But, of course, if you take one model out and bring another model in people will compare them," Dierks said.

    "This time we've managed to actually keep the price on the same level, which gives us a big advantage of newer technology, better performance, better fuel consumption, brand-new innovation and it's nicer to drive.

    "Again it's a bit of a gamble because Australians love capacity... It's still important [to buyers] but if we don't try and convince people how good that [the downsized engines] is we will never really be successful here.

    "Long term, I believe for us at Volkswagen 2.0 [litre naturally aspirated petrol engines] will disappear but it will be a balanced transfer," Dierks opined.

    In addition to the entry-level model, the Jetta TDI has also benefitted from an engine update. For the MY09 model year, the Jetta will feature Volkswagen's new common rail 2.0-litre turbodiesel four. First seen in the Eos and Tiguan Down Under, this powerplant replaces the Pumpe Duse unit currently used in the Golf and other models.

    Published : Saturday, 16 August 2008
    Issue : CarPoint August 2008
    http://www.editorial.carsales.com.au...w/2971268.aspx
    - Ben

    1961 Karmann Ghia Coupé - 1993 Golf Cabriolet - 2006 Golf Comfortline 1.9L TDI
    2008 Jetta 2.0L FSI

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    What's amazing is they have the common rail at the same power outputs 103/125kw, which given the technology is pretty amazing.

    What I'm interested to see is the "being developed" sequential turbo diesel I read about in the latest VW owners magazine. No turbo lag it seems!

    Giddyup!
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    • #3
      CRAP! Then i better get my game on if i'm to buy a Jetta... (On my P's).
      2002 Volkswagen Bora V5 - 2007 Mazda 3 GT - 1998 Ford Contour Sport - 2010 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0T - 2013 Volkswagen Passat 130TDI - 2015 Ford Escape 1.5 - 2016 Subaru WRX - 2018 Volkswagen Golf R Wolfsburg Wagon

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      • #4
        Interesting stuff,it all sounds impressive,and the rumour that I heard ages ago turned out to be true.
        I will test a 1.4 TSI as soon as they are launched.
        I might have to swop my 2.O FSI for one...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by maca View Post
          CRAP! Then i better get my game on if i'm to buy a Jetta... (On my P's).
          Without going back to your old thread, that TSI might actually be legal in QLD, due to the lower power it puts out, and the fact its replacing a N/A engine, its not like its performance minded like the GT golf. Might be worth checking out.
          2008 Jetta 2.0 TSI
          2010 Triumph STR

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          • #6
            ...that's assuming QLD transport has a brain Dave.
            Risky bet.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by dangerous_daveo View Post
              Without going back to your old thread, that TSI might actually be legal in QLD, due to the lower power it puts out, and the fact its replacing a N/A engine, its not like its performance minded like the GT golf. Might be worth checking out.
              You would think so.. But no. It's a supercharged and a turbocharged engine. Two big no-no's for QLD Trans. Regardless of the power output.
              2002 Volkswagen Bora V5 - 2007 Mazda 3 GT - 1998 Ford Contour Sport - 2010 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0T - 2013 Volkswagen Passat 130TDI - 2015 Ford Escape 1.5 - 2016 Subaru WRX - 2018 Volkswagen Golf R Wolfsburg Wagon

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cogdoc View Post
                What's amazing is they have the common rail at the same power outputs 103/125kw
                I agree that the 103Kw TDI is now common rail but isn't the 125Kw TDI still Pumpe Duse??
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                • #9
                  I wonder how long it will be before the common rail Jetta TDIs are in dealer stock yards. Our Jetta landed in Australia around 2 weeks ago and we'll hopefully take delivery of it by the end of this week. Might be hoping too much that it's the first of the new batch of common rail TDIs to make it to Australia.
                  MY2008 Deep Black Jetta 2.0 TDI

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vanDub View Post
                    I agree that the 103Kw TDI is now common rail but isn't the 125Kw TDI still Pumpe Duse??
                    For MY09 Passat 125kW is also common rail TDI
                    - Ben

                    1961 Karmann Ghia Coupé - 1993 Golf Cabriolet - 2006 Golf Comfortline 1.9L TDI
                    2008 Jetta 2.0L FSI

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by maca View Post
                      You would think so.. But no. It's a supercharged and a turbocharged engine. Two big no-no's for QLD Trans. Regardless of the power output.
                      For real? I swear they were letting eco turbos thru.

                      So if I was on my Ps, and wanting to buy a really economical fwd petrol sedan, with really good safety (btw, I had my out at mt cotton going nuts, brake assist is freaky!) I cant?

                      If I were VW, I might be slightly annoyed. I guess its not a huge market for them, either way its a market they cant have at all now.
                      2008 Jetta 2.0 TSI
                      2010 Triumph STR

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                      • #12
                        The Common Rail Hype

                        Originally posted by phaeton View Post
                        For MY09 Passat 125kW is also common rail TDI
                        Common rail is not going to make that much difference.

                        Talk to a good diesel injection specialist, common rail(CR) has only minor advantages over Electronic Unit Injectors (PD) and as the last few years have shown companies like VW see them as so insignificant they didn’t change. It is just a different architecture of fuel injection, where the differences are virtually all in the fuel pump(s) system, the injectors basically operate and deliver the same. This is why the engines are rated at the same power output.

                        CR uses a single fuel pump to supply fuel to the rail at massive pressure. This pump is extremely expensive if something goes wrong. The injectors plumbed to the fuel rail are electronically operated and will inject several times (up to 7) per firing cycle (many tiny injections instead of one big one like older diesels and petrol engines). Common Rail is cheaper for engine companies to manufacture once they standardise all their engines to run the same system.

                        PD has the fuel pump and injector built into one unit. (Electronic Unit Injector) The individual pumps (1/cylinder) are essentially powered off the cam shaft and produce the same pressures as CR. The injector is also electronic and operates multiple times per cycle. The Unit Injectors are very expensive to replace. Down side is since PD is cam driven it is unable to provide as regulated fuel pressures as CR can – the fuel pressure builds and falls each cycle, but under standard tunes that’s not applicable.

                        I doubt very much that CR will provide an improvement in fuel consumption, don’t you find it strange that VW is the last company using PD and is easily matching all the others for consumption figures. I would expect a quieter engine, with the reduced drive on the cam shafts. However a Tiguan went past this morning (2.0 CR right?) and it didn’t seam any quiter than the Golfs.

                        There is a large advertising hype around Common Rail – see the new Mitsubishis, they now have "Common Rail" badges on the back, that engine has not change for 5 years at least....
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by harlie View Post
                          CR uses a single fuel pump to supply fuel to the rail at massive pressure. This pump is extremely expensive if something goes wrong.
                          I also understood CR as possibly being less reliable than PD in the event of pump failure.

                          If the pump fails on CR the whole fuel system stops but with PD if one pump fails the rest can keep going i.e. limp mode to the dealer
                          Last edited by benough; 19-08-2008, 10:17 AM.

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                          • #14
                            TSI has 118kW and has a 7 gear DSG option

                            - Ben

                            1961 Karmann Ghia Coupé - 1993 Golf Cabriolet - 2006 Golf Comfortline 1.9L TDI
                            2008 Jetta 2.0L FSI

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by benough View Post
                              I also understood CR as possibly being less reliable than PD in the event of pump failure.

                              If the pump fails on CR the whole fuel system stops but with PD if one pump fails the rest can keep going i.e. limp mode to the dealer
                              Happens with everything CR, they are also more sensitive to Biofuels, Bosh people actually want people to use biodiesel and such in em as their spare parts sales are going through the roof.

                              I think they are going backwards sticking the 1.4TFSI motor into the Jetta to replace the n/a 2.0, when the turbocharger and supercharger both fail that's very expensive repairs, meaning in years to come Jetta's will be availiable very cheaply.....
                              88' Volvo 760GLE
                              88' Volvo 740 Turbo
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