ECU Piggybacks vs Chip

[HOLEIN1]

looking at the various chip options at the moment, and was looking at some of the ECU piggy back setups which are available from brands such as haltech etc

my question is why dont more people choose piggyback ECU such as the one shown in the link below? from what i have read so far something like this offers more tuning abilities as well as being easier to adapt to other mods such as intakes, turbo upgrades, head work etc etc

or is there something im missing here? yes a ECU piggyback would require more labour cost to get it running right, but would probably work out the same/not that much more expensive than your big brands of 'chips'

what does everyone else think?

edit: added link

http://www.haltech.com/interceptor.htm

[SoVeReIgN]

For me it's the huge added complexity for no HUGE benefit.

Get a chip and the car runs as it would as standard in all conditions (cold starts, hot starts, hot temps, aircon etc etc), a piggyback ecu has to be tuned for all this.

Id rather someone elses car(s) do thousands of hours on the dynos and in all conditions rather than my car sitting on the dyno for a few hours.

I'm yet to see a car with minor mods and a piggyback ecu make more power than a chipped car with the same mods. (On an independent/same dyno - No point using the tuners dyno figures)

[mk3pete]

iv heard that if you get your car chipped it somewhat makes your car more unreliable i cant explain wat im trying to say the engine sort of gets out of tune from it self

[HOLEIN1]

yher was thinking the same thing, just thought i would throw up the question to see what everyone thinks

do any of the big chip brands offer any sort of tuning ability on a dyno etc?

im only doing basic mods to the car (intake, DV, upgrade IC piping etc) but read in another thread on here that the chips were designed for a 'standard' engine, and as soon as even a few mods are done

not too sure on how true this is but...

[HOLEIN1]

iv heard that if you get your car chipped it somewhat makes your car more unreliable i cant explain wat im trying to say the engine sort of gets out of tune from it self

do you mean this happens with a piggyback ECU or with a common setup such as APR, REVO etc?

[mk3pete]

hmmm not really sure thinking towards the second one my machanic was trying to explain this to me a while back cant recall wat he actually said, somthing along those lines though

[HOLEIN1]

hmmm not really sure thinking towards the second one my machanic was trying to explain this to me a while back cant recall wat he actually said, somthing along those lines though

probably the piggyback option as i havent heard of this problem with the chip upgrade option on any of the forums

also i had a mate with a pigyback ecu (not a vw btw) and he had all sorts of problems with the engine running like crap in different conditions

[mk3pete]

is it even worth me getting my car chipped its only a stock vr mk3 if so how much do they cost

[h100vw]

looking at the various chip options at the moment, and was looking at some of the ECU piggy back setups which are available from brands such as haltech etc

my question is why dont more people choose piggyback ECU such as the one shown in the link below? from what i have read so far something like this offers more tuning abilities as well as being easier to adapt to other mods such as intakes, turbo upgrades, head work etc etc

or is there something im missing here? yes a ECU piggyback would require more labour cost to get it running right, but would probably work out the same/not that much more expensive than your big brands of 'chips'

what does everyone else think?

edit: added link
http://www.haltech.com/interceptor.htm

Not worth the effort mate, 1100 bucks for the interceptor plus fitting and say 4 hours dyno time, at 100+ an hour for the same power that you can get from an off the shelf product that has had considerably more R and D done on it.

Most people are not into big turbos or mods past an exhaust and intake. Those that are usually go in one big hit, which would include the software mods to suit.



'Apologies to the mods for blatant advertising'.

Check out www.custom-code.co.uk Their software gets great reviews in the UK. If you are serious about chipping your car and want to deal with someone in Adelaide, PM me.

Cheers

Gavin

[DUB 20V]

if any of you guys bothered to read about the haltech interceptor, before shooting off your mouth, you would realise thet, the std factory computer still runs, all the std **** in your car like aircon, idol step up,cold start, and alll the rest of the crap, they cost about 1500-1600 fitted takes 1-2 days fitted/tuned, i had one in my car and never had one problem since the day i got it fitted after having a chip.

1 chip im my car leaned out to the max,
2 never made any real power at all

chip+95kw atw
haltech =119.8kw atw on the 30ish run while tuning it.

i know a lot of other people have had a lot of lean out issues

[99gti]

All - please discuss like adults or dont post.

OP - this is a hard one to answer. I'd sugest having a read over some of the previous posts regarding this and you should find most of the info your after.

[DubSteve]

LOLZ @ this threadz

[mk3pete]

i dont get why this is such an issue shouldnt we be able too discuss this freely??????

[DubSteve]

Because you shall get flamed, touchy touchy subject!

Its all good for the first few posts and then it will get out of control and certain people will do this:

[mk3pete]

can we start it up and let it get out of control i need to witness this and fall over from laughteri think we need a bit more entertainment