Strange noise from engine when starting my car.

[mybora]

Hey guys,
i was just wondering if you guys would know anything or have herd about this problem before.
When i start my car for the first time each day (but if i started it, had it running for 5 mins then turned it off and started it again it would still make that noise) my engine makes a strange noise, its not a grinding or squealing noise i don't know what you would call it but its not at all good!
When its been running for 20 mins if i turned it off and started it again it wouldn't make a sound.
It doesn't sound like its coming from the fan belts and pulleys.
Could it be a bearing in the engine?
I would be really appreciated if someone could provide me with some help/information.
Thanks heaps Nick

[JustCruisn]

How long does it make the noise for ? Minutes seconds ??

[mybora]

it only like 2-3 seconds while its being turned over. thanks man, i will try and up load a sound clip.

[JustCruisn]

Could be the starter motor not disengaging quickly enough.
Does it sound like this.

http://www.fallastarmedia.com/vortex/starter/starternoise.wav

Previous discussions

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f14/wierd-sound-when-start-up-48477.html

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f14/funny-sound-start-up-32221.html

[dylan8]

Could be the starter motor not disengaging quickly enough.

i second start motor. Just sounds like something crunching/grinding?

[balkanac]

If its a starter, it would make that noise all the time, regardless if the car is warm. What i understood is if the car is cold (ran for 5 min and restarted) the noise is still there. Could it be that its not getting enough oil pressure in the head so the lifters knock for a few seconds?

[Coralon]

Yeah hydraulic lifters can make some cool noises before the oil thins out, is a symptom of all engines that use them and only gets worse with age.

[Transporter]

You can check for if it's hydraulic lifters or something else. http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f28/...tml#post673710

[JustCruisn]

If its a starter, it would make that noise all the time, regardless if the car is warm.

This has been happening on my car for years, it does not happen every start but its worse in winter.
It is rare for it to happen with a hot engine.
In summer if might not do it for months at a time.

Lets see what the OP comes up with. It may be some thing else as others have suggested.

[Transporter]

it only like 2-3 seconds while its being turned over. thanks man, i will try and up load a sound clip.

What viscosity oil are you using and how long is it in the engine for? If it turns to be the the hydraulic lifters make sure you use the engine flush when you do the oil change.

[mybora]

This has been happening on my car for years, it does not happen every start but its worse in winter.
It is rare for it to happen with a hot engine.
In summer if might not do it for months at a time.

Lets see what the OP comes up with. It may be some thing else as others have suggested.

Sorry for the late reply. Thats exactly what it does! Thank you so much! Yes its rare for it to do it when the engine is hot. Im sure its not the hydraulic lifters. I've roll started it a few times and yes i'm positive its the starter motor.

Does anyone know if theres any difference between a 2000 and 2002 bora V5 starter motor??

Thank you all! Cheers Nick

[Coralon]

Mine doesnt tick every start either, but at 158~k's the lifters make some noise now and again. It is a normal thing, if it were the starter it would be an utterly horrible noise that would send animals and small children running. If its just a slight tappety sound... well thats why they are called tappets

If its a knocking sound then its a very different beast and needs a bit more of a look.

[mybora]

Mine doesnt tick every start either, but at 158~k's the lifters make some noise now and again. It is a normal thing, if it were the starter it would be an utterly horrible noise that would send animals and small children running. If its just a slight tappety sound... well thats why they are called tappets

If its a knocking sound then its a very different beast and needs a bit more of a look.

its not the tappets (hydraulic lifters) its not a tapping sound. defiantly the starter motor. thanks nick

[dylan8]

This has been happening on my car for years, it does not happen every start but its worse in winter.
It is rare for it to happen with a hot engine.
In summer if might not do it for months at a time.

Lets see what the OP comes up with. It may be some thing else as others have suggested.

I'm the same, mine was getting really bad a year or so ago, now its just stopped making noise. been fine until last week when it made the noise one morning. havnt heard it again since then,

[JustCruisn]

I'm the same, mine was getting really bad a year or so ago, now its just stopped making noise. been fine until last week when it made the noise one morning. havnt heard it again since then,

Thats how it goes.

There is a write up the Tex on how to pull it apart grease and reinstall. All this does is shut it up for a week or 3 then it comes back. I've also had my starter reconditioned and it still does it.