Air Intake setup... why cant we POD it...?

[No457 Snowy]

Here's EVOMS instructions for servicing their filters, I bought a spare so I can rotate them, ie. have one cleaned and lightly oiled sitting in a ziplock bag in the garage so I just swap them over and I'm good to go, then I just service the dirty filter and it sits in the ziplock bag waiting for the next use. Never had a problem with the MAF after 12 months using the V-Flow. Notice the recommended oil drying time also:

Evolution Motorsports
Filter Cleaning Procedure


Step 1: Remove filter from intake tube and venturi.

Step 2: Using a non-detergent soap in warm water wash the filter (hand soap, Simple Green works great.)

Step 3: Using cold water rinse filter from inside out, as to push all dirt out of the filter.

Step4: If air compressor is available from the inside out lightly blow the water from the filter.

Step5: Regardless of blowing all water needs to be completely removed from the filter before moving on to the next step. The filter will probably need to sit in front of a fan for 3-4 hours.

Step6: If the filter is still red in color and completely dry then the filter can be placed on the car and the process is complete. If filter is more Grey in color see step 7.

Step7: Our filters use a 6 gram oil spray process, so if you do decide to re oil the filter a K&N recharge kit can be used, the oil should be applied only to the outside of the filter in a very light spray.

Step8: Let the filter dry for at least 4 hours before using preferably over night if possible


Not sure how it can be a waste of money when EVOMS have published detailed R&D on the benefits of this setup with the 6 inch velocity stack, venturi design, etc, plus it can be serviced and used over and over ensuring the car is always running a nice clean filter.

Snowy

[gavs]

This is hearsay and crap...There is NO proof to this....I have run K&N and BMC oiled filters on all of my cars and never had a problem, and have NEVER heard about it being an issue until I joined this forum, but of the people how come up with this stuff about buggered MAF sensors, NONE have come up with any proof to say it was the filter oil that killed it, and NONE have taken up the issue with K&N, or any other oiled filter manufacturer. Tell me, alot of the time, where dose the crank case breather hose exit in front of? Do you have conclusive proof that filter oil wrecks Mass Airflow Sensors(MAF"s).

Please read this...

http://www.knfilters.com/MAF/massairpledge.htm

http://www.knfilters.com/MAF/massairfindings.htm

http://www.knfilters.com/MAF/MAFTestresults.htm

I knew this would get opinions racing

I did read all the information provided in those links, very good information also.
Blitzen, you state you have run BMC and K&N filters on all of your cars, a choice that you probably made as a well informed one and i'm guessing with a certain amount of technical knowledge about these filters. What about old mate who decides he wants a pod filter, so he rips out his stock airbox, goes down to supercrap and pays $25 for a foam mesh pod, his cousin guido says "mate, you gotta oil a pod, sick bro" and old mate drowns his el-crappo filter in oil, resulting in the oil catching all the dust and crap it should, but because old mate is an idiot, the filter doesn't hold it and it blows all over his MAF?

I'm not trying to offend anyone or their decisions. You want to fork out big bucks for an oiled pod filter, fine. That is YOUR CHOICE. It is a well known, INTERNATIONAL problem with Volkswagen MAFs that they are ridiculously delicate, a consequence of using cheap labour in a country that cant spell "quality control".

I personally will stick with a panel filter made of paper, but again,that is my choice.

Blitzen, to answer your question, no. I do not have any proof. I am going off what I have been told by a Volkswagen mechanic, (sorry, they prefer specialist...). To answer your other question, I have no crank-case breather anywhere near my MAF, so i cannot comment on that either.

Some more reading.....

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/2/index.html

http://home.stny.rr.com/jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

[D3bb4]

I knew this would get opinions racing

I did read all the information provided in those links, very good information also.
Blitzen, you state you have run BMC and K&N filters on all of your cars, a choice that you probably made as a well informed one and i'm guessing with a certain amount of technical knowledge about these filters. What about old mate who decides he wants a pod filter, so he rips out his stock airbox, goes down to supercrap and pays $25 for a foam mesh pod, his cousin guido says "mate, you gotta oil a pod, sick bro" and old mate drowns his el-crappo filter in oil, resulting in the oil catching all the dust and crap it should, but because old mate is an idiot, the filter doesn't hold it and it blows all over his MAF?

I'm not trying to offend anyone or their decisions. You want to fork out big bucks for an oiled pod filter, fine. That is YOUR CHOICE. It is a well known, INTERNATIONAL problem with Volkswagen MAFs that they are ridiculously delicate, a consequence of using cheap labour in a country that cant spell "quality control".

So you're not trying to offend anybody, but you're clearly stereotyping?

Paper would be your choice, but as you stated - you have no proof to say oil filters are bad, and others have plenty of evidence to say and prove they're good - so probably isn't best to be one of the people screaming the sky is falling, because you're making others skeptics for no reason.

[DaveMack]

So you're not trying to offend anybody, but you're clearly stereotyping?

Paper would be your choice, but as you stated - you have no proof to say oil filters are bad, and others have plenty of evidence to say and prove they're good - so probably isn't best to be one of the people screaming the sky is falling, because you're making others skeptics for no reason.

Snap! x 2.

Dave

[No457 Snowy]

So you're not trying to offend anybody, but you're clearly stereotyping?

Paper would be your choice, but as you stated - you have no proof to say oil filters are bad, and others have plenty of evidence to say and prove they're good - so probably isn't best to be one of the people screaming the sky is falling, because you're making others skeptics for no reason.

X3

But honestly, what has Old mate and cousin Guido, the fully sick Bros,' and an over-oiled el cheapo foam filter got to do with this? I thought we were talking about (in your words) "big bucks" filters setups that were a waste of money.

Snowy.

[Tim]

Old mate and cousin Guido probly top up their coolant through the oil cap too. I think society goes too far when it tries to apply a moron-proof approach to everything. No wonder we are all after instant gratification.

[JVLR32]

So has anyone just modded there stock airbox......we know the pods do work does a modded box work?????

[D3bb4]

I cut the little fins out of mine, as was told would make a difference. Think it has a little, next step is the K&N panel filter; after that, an additional feed shall be added when i find the time.

[Blitzen]

I knew this would get opinions racing

I did read all the information provided in those links, very good information also.
Blitzen, you state you have run BMC and K&N filters on all of your cars, a choice that you probably made as a well informed one and i'm guessing with a certain amount of technical knowledge about these filters.

I personally will stick with a panel filter made of paper, but again,that is my choice.

Mate, in all honesty, I had no technical knowledge about oiled panel filters before I became a Heavy Diesel Mechanic at the start of 2006. Before that, I just went off what I had read, or what my mates had said. I just went off reputation, and these companys hold that reputation among alot of people with nearly no technical experience , hence why they hold this warranty process in such high regard.
In regards to the other question I posed, on a few engines, the crank case breather exits in front of the MAF, and I really think that oil vapour from this would harm a MAF sensor more than filter oil.

[JVLR32]

I cut the little fins out of mine, as was told would make a difference. Think it has a little, next step is the K&N panel filter; after that, an additional feed shall be added when i find the time.

...this could be interesting for this topic! why i say is why spend $400 plus dollars is this mod will work.....

[VW Convert]

It is a well known, INTERNATIONAL problem with Volkswagen MAFs that they are ridiculously delicate, a consequence of using cheap labour in a country that cant spell "quality control".

Where do you get this info from? Having spent most of my working life in Automotive Parts and having visited numerous factories producing parts for vehicle manufacturers I know this is unadulterated crap. If VW MAFs are "ridiculously delicate" it is a consequence of design not production.

Cheers

George

[No457 Snowy]

...this could be interesting for this topic! why i say is why spend $400 plus dollars is this mod will work.....

I reckon it'd work very well, I've seen some real hack jobs on stock air boxes but with some care and planning it could be done well

Snowy

[JVLR32]

I reckon it'd work very well, I've seen some real hack jobs on stock air boxes but with some care and planning it could be done well

Snowy

yeh agree with hack jobs! is there a fective way of knowing hole sizes?....and how many holes we should do?......

[D3bb4]

There's little science behind trial and error. Trialling effective and known methods usually works best though; and i prefer to keep my car looking reasonable and stock-ish; so making the bottom of my air box swiss cheese is definately ruled out.
Might just see if i can squeeze a secondary 3" intake pipe through the front of the car, and make a tidy hole for it in the box. Maybe smaller even, as can get smaller piping with less ribs/smoother internally. See how it goes.

[JVLR32]

yeh at some point iwill do it! I saw a R32 08 with a 400 dollar set....it looked nice no doubt...just carnt justify it.