97' Auto VR6

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Out of interest, what are the power gains for cam, cat back, Chip (i had heard chipping a vr6 was a waste of time - but would like to hear the real deal from an expert.)
Also whats the power gain from a stage 1 turbo kit over stock?
Lets steer this back to power mods as I guess thats what he was most interested in doing!

[Defaultuser0520]

"For $2k you can do cams . chip and cat back exhaust "

I understand the gains from cams and exhaust, but thought the chip was of not much benefit in these cars??

[Bug_racer]

Out of interest, what are the power gains for cam, cat back, Chip (i had heard chipping a vr6 was a waste of time - but would like to hear the real deal from an expert.)
Also whats the power gain from a stage 1 turbo kit over stock?
Lets steer this back to power mods as I guess thats what he was most interested in doing!

About 10-15kw . There is more to be gained with larger cams but you start loosing driveability
Id say 50-80kw gain , will find out soon enough and post results
VR6 stock power atws seems to vary greatly so its hard to really put into perspective the real gain from a base . Turbo cars dont seem to suffer the same inconsistancies ???

[Bug_racer]

"For $2k you can do cams . chip and cat back exhaust "

I understand the gains from cams and exhaust, but thought the chip was of not much benefit in these cars??

Older ecus should be re-tuned to get the most benefit from the hardware fitted . The chip itself has only minor gains with no hardware mods .

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cheers for the info - I had wondered about consistency in the vr6 as it seems to vary from one guy to the next!

[Hoop]

Hey guys thanks for all the info.

With cams, I've read that Schimmel 263 cams are one of the best all round cams.. Can anyone shed some light on these? Or any other cam?

My driver side window regulator just shat itself (and I just did the passenger side myself 2 days ago :/ it's like they are on a fail timer lol) so I'm gonna have to order the part, since I am I may as well buy some other stuff to justify the shipping. I'm getting the regulator from ECStuning.com, any tips on stuff I should get?

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Also Bug_Racer, is there anything I can do to reinforce the auto box? Or should I just wait for it to die then convert? I'd rather stay auto but if it can't handle much I'd compromise.

Also, stage 1 turbo kit, could that be something like the turbo from bahnbrenner or c2motorsports? They say an intercooler isn't needed Is that safe though?

If I do get a turbo I'd want to keep it as sleeper as possible

[KKK VR6]

Also Bug_Racer, is there anything I can do to reinforce the auto box? Or should I just wait for it to die then convert? I'd rather stay auto but if it can't handle much I'd compromise.

Also, stage 1 turbo kit, could that be something like the turbo from bahnbrenner or c2motorsports? They say an intercooler isn't needed Is that safe though?

If I do get a turbo I'd want to keep it as sleeper as possible

Apperently auto boxs take more of a thrashing then manuals do?
Yeh c2, bahnbrenner an a couple others. Yeh you dont need a intercooler to run a turbo, but with aussie temp's it's better to have 1 especially if this car is gonna see some traffic, plus it give you a bit more power. but thats for a stg 1 kit
But really i wouldnt get a stg1 turbo kit for a auto, there's no exciting kick from it, i think its a waste of extra fuel !!
as for chips, for $200-$300 it sorta worth gettin 1, it cleans up ya A/F ratio an gives you a better bang for the amount of fuel your car uses. but be aware different companies have different chips and some chips are made to use more fuel. carnt remember rite now but theres a company who only make chips that eat more fuel. It's better if you call and find out about the chip. Only thing with a auto, is you wont feel any difference, but your hwy fuel effiencey will get better.

[KKK VR6]

With cams, I've read that Schimmel 263 cams are one of the best all round cams.. Can anyone shed some light on these? Or any other cam?

i think its 262 cams, iv kinda forgot !

[Hoop]

Apperently auto boxs take more of a thrashing then manuals do?
Yeh c2, bahnbrenner an a couple others. Yeh you dont need a intercooler to run a turbo, but with aussie temp's it's better to have 1 especially if this car is gonna see some traffic, plus it give you a bit more power. but thats for a stg 1 kit
But really i wouldnt get a stg1 turbo kit for a auto, there's no exciting kick from it, i think its a waste of extra fuel !!
as for chips, for $200-$300 it sorta worth gettin 1, it cleans up ya A/F ratio an gives you a better bang for the amount of fuel your car uses. but be aware different companies have different chips and some chips are made to use more fuel. carnt remember rite now but theres a company who only make chips that eat more fuel. It's better if you call and find out about the chip. Only thing with a auto, is you wont feel any difference, but your hwy fuel effiencey will get better.

No kick? As in you can't feel boost? Why would that be? So if I got a stage 1 for now, and later on upgrade to stage 2 I'd feel no power increase?

Also with chips I am probably going to go with GIAC, there's a dealer around the corner from my house too. How much do they go for? Should I wait til I have cams before I get a remap or can I remap it again after?

Thanks mate

[Bug_racer]

Apperently auto boxs take more of a thrashing then manuals do?
Yeh c2, bahnbrenner an a couple others. Yeh you dont need a intercooler to run a turbo, but with aussie temp's it's better to have 1 especially if this car is gonna see some traffic, plus it give you a bit more power. but thats for a stg 1 kit
But really i wouldnt get a stg1 turbo kit for a auto, there's no exciting kick from it, i think its a waste of extra fuel !!
as for chips, for $200-$300 it sorta worth gettin 1, it cleans up ya A/F ratio an gives you a better bang for the amount of fuel your car uses. but be aware different companies have different chips and some chips are made to use more fuel. carnt remember rite now but theres a company who only make chips that eat more fuel. It's better if you call and find out about the chip. Only thing with a auto, is you wont feel any difference, but your hwy fuel effiencey will get better.

A stage 1 is called a stage 1 cause it runs no intercooler . Once a cooler is fitted , boost is doubled and you get a big increase in power
You dont want a kick from a turbo car with an auto behind it . There are only 3 bolts holding the flex plate to the torque converter , they will sheer pretty easy if you apply too much sudden torque . The reason to install a stage 1 turbo is its the cheapest way of getting smooth linear power . By the time you do cams,exhaust,tune etc your more than 1/2 way there to a turbo kit .

[Bug_racer]

Also Bug_Racer, is there anything I can do to reinforce the auto box? Or should I just wait for it to die then convert? I'd rather stay auto but if it can't handle much I'd compromise.

Also, stage 1 turbo kit, could that be something like the turbo from bahnbrenner or c2motorsports? They say an intercooler isn't needed Is that safe though?

If I do get a turbo I'd want to keep it as sleeper as possible

You just need to keep an eye on the temperature . As long as you dont overheat the oil the torque increase is within spec . Stage 2 is beyond what the auto can handle though .

[Hoop]

A stage 1 is called a stage 1 cause it runs no intercooler . Once a cooler is fitted , boost is doubled and you get a big increase in power
You dont want a kick from a turbo car with an auto behind it . There are only 3 bolts holding the flex plate to the torque converter , they will sheer pretty easy if you apply too much sudden torque . The reason to install a stage 1 turbo is its the cheapest way of getting smooth linear power . By the time you do cams,exhaust,tune etc your more than 1/2 way there to a turbo kit .

yeah thats exactly what im looking for, more smooth linear power, since this is a daily, i just want some more umph for fun for the days i go on cruises with mates.

awesome, so after i get this major service done, and fix everything up, im gonna jump straight into the cams etc, and when thats all stable i'll look into a stage 1 kit.

[KKK VR6]

Once a cooler is fitted , boost is doubled

Really ?
care to expand a bit on that ?

[Hoop]

Yo wassup.

Gonna bump this thread coz I'm back! I had a few issues, and had to spend my the cash I saved for the car, but now Im back into it and ready to throw some money at it!

So question,
If I get a schimmel 263 cam, proper CAI, 2.5" TT exhaust with single borla(steel or alluminized?), and a GIAC to go with it all, what am I looking at in terms of power increase? And would the work for the install be a big job? I was gonna get my timing chain done with the cams since I'm starting to hear a little rattle lol