Short Shift Kit

[DubSteve]

What about the dieselgeek one it looks pretty good I was reading it today I think we go with that its about the same price as the tmtuning one!

[rayray086]

Yeah I read good reviews about it too - one of the best actually?

[sukebe]

No doubt the dieselgeek one is better than the RSD, but they are not comparable in price - $109 vs $225 (I was charged $20 delivery from Germany). You do get the side-to-side bit with the dieselgeek one though. I got the RSD one but am not completely happy yet, maybe just needs adjusting..... Shifting is smooth albeit a tad notchier, but thats kinda good, but I often have trouble down shifting 3rd to 2nd. For the extra AUD$150, from what Ive heard, I reckon the Dieselgeek one is the wiser choice.

[william]

ok diesel geek it is

[Golfer]

Do dieselgeek make shift kits for 8v cars? I was under the impression that it was only for VR6's...

With regards to the RSD stuff, I am very shortly going to get the RSD 8v SS kit in from TMTuning (hand made German jobbies) with a set of the vents that go in the foglight blank for my CAI setup, and I'll land both items here for under $200 Australian including shipping, so for my money, that seems like good value...

Cheers!
JHN

[Vr6_Dog]

Im up for one and I reckon for this it's worth going for the very best one regardless of price. It wont be like hundreds more. You guys agree?
Tims one sounds good.

And rayray cars looking good mate nice new pic in sig.

[DubSteve]

Well from what I read about the dieselgeek one its got 35% reduction front and back and 50% side to side, not sure about the tmtuning one. I only read that one.

[MattyT]

Oh crap, another item to the li$t

[monkeysrus]

My RSD one from TMT is good. Just need to be methodical when putting it in. I had no reverse at first.

You do not need to drop the box!!!!!!!!!

[rayray086]

For those that are DIY keen and/or want to save money, here's the short shifter DIY for the VR6 (not just cutting the stick, actually modifying the shifter mechanisms):

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2857147

I didn't take the time to go through it all, but it does look promising.

[Tim]

that seems to just be shortening the stick and replacing a few bits.
I wouldnt recommend shortening it. it will reduce the throw slightly but it also reduces the amount of leverage u have with the gearstick. so u would probly require more force to shift the lever.

Its not like a porsche where the console comes up close to the driver. if u shorten the shifter it just makes it harder to reach in a golf i reckon. cos u just dont sit that low.

[andya]

Tim's right, but possibly twice as much as he expected!
huh. I'm not so keen on the Dieselgeek one now - most of the other seem to offer varied amount of reduction in forward back shifting, not just 35%.

L-R doesn't really bother me all that much currently, it is the length of the throw.

hmm...

Also, looking at that vortex linkmade me realise a few things. You may have to excuse some of my mechanical inexperience-my dad died when I was kid and i never really got my hands dirty in cars...

There seems to be different ways of reducing the F/B throw, and DieselGeek uses one, most others another.
But one is a Short Shifter, or another is a Short Shift!

It is obvious now why I was suprised at the DG picture - although it states picture is different, it is also clear from the instructions that you replace the "stock shift lever"

This is also what the DIY article is about - just cutting off the top of you old lever and rethreading the lever lower down.

this of course does reduce the throw, but also puts the lever further away from you - all of this work is done inside the cabin, in the centre console. Also, see http://www.hpamotorsports.com/produc...in_shifter.htm

ALTERNATIVELY...

in the engine bay... http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=26|G3&type=3&ltype=ns_euro &p_id=463


"Neuspeed's Short Shift Kit for the A3 5-speed consists of two replacement shift linkages that mount on the transmission and at the firewall. There are 2 adjustments for the reduction in throw (30% and 50%.)

Notes
2-piece lever kit with multi-position option. The stock shift lever inside the center console is not changed."

ah-ha.
similar parts:

http://www2.bmracing.com/store/kommerce_productdetail.aspx?item=45200

http://www.autotech.com/prod_drive_shortshift.htm

http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/ForSale/shiftLinkage.shtm

And references to doing it yourself...

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=630&highlight=%22short+shift%22

And old wcooled threads...

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=2005&highlight=%22short+shift%22

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=630&highlight=%22short+shift%22

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=274&highlight=%22short+shift%22

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=1285&highlight=%22short+shift%22

Phew.

And Secondly... people have mentioned reducing side to side, but is that motion, or sloppiness? apparently as the bushings get worn, the moves around a lot more, and it is quite simple to replace them and get improvement. I have seen expensive teflon high tech ones, and also read of someon using chopped garden hose!

Finally, now.

I don't want a Dieselgeek kit.

I want a real movement reduction, and would like to be involved in a group buy.

[DubSteve]

I'm going to ring tomorrow and find out how much the dieselgeek ones are going to cost and go from there.

[rayray086]

Good to see the research happening there andya! One important thing though - I believe the VR6 and 2.0L shift mechanisms are different. The Neuspeed one that you showed in your post are for the 2.0L models only whereas the dieselgeek one with the new stalk and all are for VR6 models only. Basically, you won't be able to install the Neuspeed linkage pictured on a VR6, and you won't be able to fit a dieselgeek on a 2.0L. If you check the Neuspeed site, the short shift kits they sell for the 2.0L models and VR6 models are very different. This is due to the different gearboxes - 2.0L has the 020 whereas the VR6 has the 02A. I only just realised this while researching on short shifters for the Mk3.

[Golf Loon]

Yeah this thread is getting confusing.

The VR6 has a cable shift gearlinkage assembly and is completely different to the Golf 3 2L and 1.8, which has a rod shift gearlinkage, like a Golf 1 or 2.

You need the correct kit for your car. The pic of the linkage bar with the 2 holes is similar to ones I have seen blokes make for Mk1s.

The forward and back movement inside the car is transferred into sidways movement as you look at the top of the box in the engine bay, thus shortening the rod, or moving its pivot position will have the required effect.

Hope that helps