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  • obd2 tb on obd1 managment

    hey all im looking at getting this done as i bought a tb from ebay thinking its a obd1 but its not

    few questions not sure on all the abbreviations mean?
    ISV?
    EGR?
    integrated TPS?
    and does anyone have these parts that are required?
    obd2 upper intake manifold
    OBD2 ABA harness
    also would like a wiring diagram too
    and finally will the obd2 upper mani adapt to the obd1 lower mani. reason i ask is i already have a spare obd1 lower mani i bought off golf loon.

    anyways it is possible. this is the thread!!



    You can absolutely swap them out. I ran both an obd1 and an obd2 throttle body on my standalone car and both throttle bodies provide the same input/output (+12v, GND, 0-5V signal). The obd2 connector just has more pins so you have to get a wiring diagram to find which ones need to go where. I believe Paul (need_a_vr6) has an obd2 throttle body on his obd1 motor... I may just be remembering that wrong though.
    Benefits:
    -68mm butterfly vs. 62mm (20% increasing in area)
    -It already has the crazy ramps removed so you don't really need to port it

    Disadvantages:
    -Will need to swap to obd2 upper intake manifold or use an adapter plate
    -Integrated TPS

    I run an OBD2 tb on my OBD1 managment, but I also run an OBD2 VGi manifold. They left the ISV port on the manifold so all I had to do was wire in the OBD2 TB's tps into my wiring. I cut a pigtail from an OBD2 ABA harness I had around and just spliced it in. I didn't have luck trying to use the OBD2 tb's idle motor with the OBD1's controls.
    For a stock OBD2 manifold you'd have to add the port for the ISV to make it all work, as well as delete your EGR system or add the port for that as well.
    Last edited by mk3pete; 04-01-2010, 07:54 PM.
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  • #2
    pete,

    isv = idle stabilisation valve
    egr = exhaust gas recirc
    tps = throttle position sensor

    what did u want to do exactly with these parts?? did u just want to go to the bigger throttle body???

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    • #3
      if its such a mission. im pretty sure you can go to a euro wrecker and swop yours for an 0bd1 tb.

      i guess they wouldnt mind since the 0bd1 is less intelligent and depends more on mechanical than electronic controls.

      or you may have to pay a couple of dollars extra (worst case scenario)
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      • #4
        iv got the obd1 tb already
        my intension was to upgrade to a bigger tb, so i bought a 2.9 tb from ebay thinking it was obd1, it was infact obd2
        its been ported and polished
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        • #5
          ok i just read my own post again now knowing what each abbreviation stands for
          cheers pedro
          anyways it seems fairly strait forward
          first source obd2 upper mani and wiring loom
          find out where to splice in the wires
          add in a port for the ISV on the mani
          and away she goes, i think
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          • #6
            that makes sense now, but i have read on vortex that obd1 throttle bodies have larger bore than obd2 (on the 2.8 that is) .
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            • #7
              not sure on that one matey
              but i just measured my new tb and its 68 mm roughly
              with that info im assuming the obd1 tb is 62 mm
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              • #8
                quick bump
                does anyone have these parts that are required?
                obd2 upper intake manifold
                OBD2 ABA harness
                also would like a wiring diagram too
                and finally will the obd2 upper mani adapt to the obd1 lower mani. reason i ask is i already have a spare obd1 lower mani i bought off golf loon.
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                • #9
                  Im pretty sure we dont have OBD in this country .
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whiteVR6 View Post
                    Im pretty sure we dont have OBD in this country .
                    hmmm im not too sure what you mean by that
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                    • #11
                      well iv got the intake manifold, thank you ebay
                      all i need now is an obd2 tb plug with pigtail so i can wire it into my car
                      any takers?
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                      • #12
                        You just need the plug for the later kind of throttlebody.

                        The early ones have a 3 pin plug for the TPS and a throttle stop screw.

                        The later kind have a variable resistor setup and a 7 pin plug.

                        Good luck converting one to the other.
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                        • #13
                          cheers matt you wouldnt have one would you?
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