Brake upgrade options

[Schalke04]

Looking to upgrade my brakes sometime in the near future. Currently have the seat cupra brakes. I've seen a few options, willwood kit, seat Leon cupra r Brembos. Just trying to find the easiest and best option. I'd like to be able to keep my 15s but would also go 16s. Let me know your suggestions.

[GOLFBALLS]

So are you running the 280mm front disc setup?

Why do you want to go bigger?

I run the 280 discs with golf 3 GL front hubs and the VR6 callipers. Standard mk2 GTI rear. Just using Ate discs (the best) and EBC greenstuff pads.

I've done a few track events with this setup under my 1.8T and found it was more than adequate. They were pushed pretty hard too....

Cheers,
Wade

[Schalke04]

So are you running the 280mm front disc setup?

Why do you want to go bigger?

I run the 280 discs with golf 3 GL front hubs and the VR6 callipers. Standard mk2 GTI rear. Just using Ate discs (the best) and EBC greenstuff pads.

I've done a few track events with this setup under my 1.8T and found it was more than adequate. They were pushed pretty hard too....

Cheers,
Wade

Yeah running the 280mm, I'm thinking if going gt28 or something like that and I'd like to upgrade the brakes. Was thinking of trying to get some 4pot brembos and keep current disc size( would need to get adapters made). There are lots of brakes I can use but it's extremely hard to find them in aus, so I'm just trying to find out what people think is best and worthwhile .

[Schalke04]

Anyone have any ideas??

[Peter Jones]

The 6 pot Tarox brakes are working well for me.

I'm running the 280mm disc inside 15" rims.

(I've got them on a MK1, but it's using MK2 16v uprights.)

I gave up on he stock style single and dual piston calipers as I kept getting pad knock off no matter what I tried. Now pedal feel is consistent through out a race.

Just watch out for clearance on the back side of the wheel with any of the big brake kits. It can be hard to find wheels that will clear the calipers.

Tarox | High Performance Brakes

[Schalke04]

The 6 pot Tarox brakes are working well for me.

I'm running the 280mm disc inside 15" rims.

(I've got them on a MK1, but it's using MK2 16v uprights.)

I gave up on he stock style single and dual piston calipers as I kept getting pad knock off no matter what I tried. Now pedal feel is consistent through out a race.

Just watch out for clearance on the back side of the wheel with any of the big brake kits. It can be hard to find wheels that will clear the calipers.

Tarox | High Performance Brakes

They look to be good brakes, but are a little pricey. I was looking at trying to get a used set of brembos or something like the 944 turbo brakes. I hear they bolt up with a spacer for the brakes, not sure if you use front or rear brakes though... Willwoods seem pretty well priced, anyone know anything about them?

[Watercooled]

Reckon a stock rebuilt mk3 4 wheel disk setup will stop this car fine,if its all new or reconditoned it will do fine with good pads,these cars are pretty light afterall.

[ryana89]

^But he is running 2-3 times more power than a stock MK2....
Like this thread, cool info.

[Martin]

They look to be good brakes, but are a little pricey. I was looking at trying to get a used set of brembos or something like the 944 turbo brakes. I hear they bolt up with a spacer for the brakes, not sure if you use front or rear brakes though... Willwoods seem pretty well priced, anyone know anything about them?

Tarox are fairly well priced

Willwood are the cheapest BBK kits out there (not by much) - not really sure why they are cheap - the only thing I've heard is they don't have dust seals (they are more for motorsport) and this can cause problems

Have a look at the price of KSport/StopTech/Brembo (new) and then compare to Tarox

Or buy 15 year old Brembo's (especially if they have been sitting at a wrecker for years) and after paying to powercoat, re-kit and tap out the bleed nipples (it can be a frustrating nightmare) and then compare to Tarox

[Schalke04]

There are many brembos on newer small cars that would be running discs around the same size... Wouldn't have to be super old, or I could buy a reconditioned set. The reason I want to go different brakes is the single piston doesn't seem to work as good as I'd like it to. 4 pots apply the pressure even and that should make for much better braking. I may look around and try find a set of brembos and get a brake carrier made. Just trying to find out if anyone knows of any that could fit easy.

[Martin]

Ok

Single piston calipers do apply even pressure to both pads, provided they are floating well.
Multiple pot calipers apply pressure over a wider area of the brake pad

Have the rotors machined and use some pads with more bite - like Ferodo DS2500 - that makes a noticeable improvement

Not many small cars have Brembo calipers
The Nissan 350Z has small two pot Bremobo's at the rear (running on a 332mm rotor) - but they tend to cost $600 from a wrecker

Most adapter plates are for calipers with radial mounting bolts (not OEM Brembo's with side mounting bolts)

You can get Seat Ibiza Cupra Brembos for 600 GBP and the adapters for 129 GBP - that's $1350 AUD but postage will be another $250 easy

You can also use front Porche 996/Boxter calipers, they cost about $800 AUD and the adapters cost $220 AUD
You need to obtain Seat Ibiza Cupra rotors, 305mm * 28mm to make this work
(there are probably after market rotor options available)

Pretty much any way you go BBK's are pricey so you need to be determined/committed

BBK's are awesome however
I have a HPA BBK on my Skoda Octavia and a Stoptech BBK for racing usage on my Nissan 350Z
Both are 6 pot with 14" inch two piece rotors - awesome stopping power (with a nasty price tag)

[Schalke04]

Ok

Single piston calipers do apply even pressure to both pads, provided they are floating well.
Multiple pot calipers apply pressure over a wider area of the brake pad

Have the rotors machined and use some pads with more bite - like Ferodo DS2500 - that makes a noticeable improvement

Not many small cars have Brembo calipers
The Nissan 350Z has small two pot Bremobo's at the rear (running on a 332mm rotor) - but they tend to cost $600 from a wrecker

Most adapter plates are for calipers with radial mounting bolts (not OEM Brembo's with side mounting bolts)

You can get Seat Ibiza Cupra Brembos for 600 GBP and the adapters for 129 GBP - that's $1350 AUD but postage will be another $250 easy

You can also use front Porche 996/Boxter calipers, they cost about $800 AUD and the adapters cost $220 AUD
You need to obtain Seat Ibiza Cupra rotors, 305mm * 28mm to make this work
(there are probably after market rotor options available)

Pretty much any way you go BBK's are pricey so you need to be determined/committed

BBK's are awesome however
I have a HPA BBK on my Skoda Octavia and a Stoptech BBK for racing usage on my Nissan 350Z
Both are 6 pot with 14" inch two piece rotors - awesome stopping power (with a nasty price tag)







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Those hpa's look amazing! I was thinking of going seat Leon cupra r 310mm discs with the brembos, but there are none in aus so I'd have to get them shipped. Then whenever I need discs and pads if need to order online. I'm going to keep searching formums to find out if here are any other brakes other than 944 that are easy to bolt on.

[Schalke04]

Anyone have any other suggestions? Hear boxster rear brakes fit?

[Peter Jones]

Boxter rears might be a bit small.

You'll have to do the math and look at piston sizes.

It's possible that the MK2 stock pads have bigger cross sectional area and would apply more pressure.

Take a look on clubgti or ed38 for info on these sorts of conversions.

Remember though that brake conversions are based on what's readily available in your country.

Price and availability of second hand Porsche bits is much better in the UK/USA. Here you might be better of developing based on Subaru bits?

[Schalke04]

Boxter rears might be a bit small.

You'll have to do the math and look at piston sizes.

It's possible that the MK2 stock pads have bigger cross sectional area and would apply more pressure.

Take a look on clubgti or ed38 for info on these sorts of conversions.

Remember though that brake conversions are based on what's readily available in your country.

Price and availability of second hand Porsche bits is much better in the UK/USA. Here you might be better of developing based on Subaru bits?

The boxster rears are 4 pot, that's all I've looked up. That's the exact reason I started this thread, I was hoping mk2 or 3 people had done upgrades and new what was the best brakes to get in aus. I'll keep doing my research and hopefully find a good brake that's easy to get here.