Will the Eurowise vr6 conversion kit fit Australian model golfs?

[Dubstein]

As the title explains, I've emailed them but no response..

[ByronRichesMk1]

There is no reason why it wouldn't fit, that I could see, possibly, if you bought there downpipe/manifold it may fowl on part of the steering rack, either that, or it may also fowl on the brake lever/transfer set up that we have bolted to the back of the engine bay. As America has LHD cars, they run everything as per a normal car. (brake booster/master cylinder on the drivers side)
Personally if you are going to all the trouble of dropping a VR6 in, I'd be upgrading the brakes anyway in one way or another
That's what I can think of from the top of my head.. I'm no expert, but I'm sure these are reasonable things to consider.

[Dubstein]

Cheers for the reply man, ill keep trying to contact them. Wont be going in for awhile, sill considering whether or not i wont to be able to turn corners

[Dub Toffee]

Yes it will

[dubsquad]

dub toffee is right, if you look through there built gallery, they're busy with a mk1 vr6 turbo conversion, there's alot of space at back. Dont look like you'll have any issues with the brake linkage or steering rack.

Leigh

[Jarred]

Good luck getting it engineered road legal though

(maybe the QLD laws are different than Vic laws though)

[Dub Toffee]

You should really only have to comply with ADR VSB14 but run it by an engineer in your state...
Section LA Engines relevant clauses
2.13 Engine capacity
2.13.1 Definition Mass of a vehicle

Basicly 2.13.1 outlines that the calculation is made on the version of the mk1 golf with the heaviest tare mass.
If I'm not wrong then ideally you would like that to be the convertible at 940kg
otherwise its got to be the golf with auto transmission at 855kg

multiplying factor is x4 as outlined in Clause 2.13 for all vehicles falling between a mass of
800kg and 1100kg.

940x4= 3760cc
or
855X4= 3420cc ....bring on the R32

As for having a engine that is Turbo powered/forced induction of any kind.
the calculation is

855x2.75=2351cc

So it is within the scope of the rules to engineer a 1.8T or a 2L even

Get busy modifying boys and get it engineered.
The cost of engineering a simple engine swap should be between $900 and $1200.
Engineers like to see brake upgrades to go along with an engine conversion.
They like to see brake upgrades that are OEM and straight forward bolt ups to match the engine conversion.

[Jarred]

Interesting, I always thought the weight would have been dependant on the actual car, not the model range.


I know someone that did research it in Vic, without a positive out come. Worth looking into then!

[Dub Toffee]

Notifying VicRoads of changes & modifications : VicRoads


...UM Yea you got a bit of red tape hopefully every state will end up being the same as NSW as i think
it is actually the most organised and fair system out.
They just want you to know your S#%t

From the VicRoads Site...

Change of engine
1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed.

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form.


2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form and provide VicRoads with:
a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine

3. Replacement engine is not of a type and/or make offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle, but is equivalent in general configuration, power, mass, and emissions standard to that of the original or an optional engine for the vehicle model and can be installed without any structual alterations.
The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that engine, have been completed.
A Change of Vehicle Description form must be completed providing new engine details. An inspection to confirm engine details is also required unless a Certificate of Roadworthiness or VASS Approval Certificate including the new engine number is provided (only for a currently registered Victorian vehicle). An original receipt for the purchase of the engine must be provided as proof of ownership of the engine.
When a VASS Approval Certificate has been supplied for a replacement engine, then an equivalent replacement engine can be fitted without another VASS Approval Certificate being presented (eg 350 c.i. V8 engine replaced with 350 c.i. V8 engine).



This looks to be worth a look

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/general-discussion/129999-victorian-car-modification-laws-guide.html

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/9B3A858D-15A0-4572-90BF-3D08214BF7BE/0/VSInumber8Guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.pdf

...
In all of the above cases, if the engine is modified such that the resulting power increase is greater than 20% it must be certified by a VASS Signatory under the relevant Code of Section LA.

looks like Vic go by VSB14 you just got to see your Vass man for some vasssoline then you can slip through.

[Jarred]

Yea, I've read that before.

The Vicroads guidelines and stuff can be pretty useless sometimes, especially if you're after specific information. that's where you need to contact a vicroads approved engineer.

[Dubstein]

Cheers for all that, very information. Will defiantly look into the QLD side of things, still pondering about the swap. Might be getting a second car so i can restore the golf and swap engine/rebuild at the same time. Looking forward to it all!

[Dub Toffee]

Queensland HA HA!
I registered a mk1 with a supercharged 8v
their.
The "Engineer". Made me a mod plate put it on the vehicle
Then suddenly stopped to wonder if the supercharged engine would comply...
He said he will go research it and if it doesn't he will call me lol
They charge per Mod, the car cost me 500 all up to "engineer"

[ByronRichesMk1]

Queensland HA HA!
I registered a mk1 with a supercharged 8v
their.
The "Engineer". Made me a mod plate put it on the vehicle
Then suddenly stopped to wonder if the supercharged engine would comply...
He said he will go research it and if it doesn't he will call me lol
They charge per Mod, the car cost me 500 all up to "engineer"

HAHAHAHA! Shouldn't he have checked that before making the plate up?

[Dub Toffee]

Ok so that was just one QLD Engineer but they are a bit more laid back up their for now anyway.

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/dec12/vsil20.pdf

they reference the VSB14 so should be pretty straight forward up their just phone the number on that page
for advice. Only tell them you are upgrading the engine don't get into details leave that for the engineer.
You want to know what is the process they want you to go through as far paperwork i concerned but in my last experience it would be
as simple as finding an engineer, showing HIM pictures of
-the Eurowise kit,
-A nice mk1 with the VR6 installed using the Eurowise kit
-The Brakes you are going to upgrade to and the model golf they are from
-How you referenced VSB14 to calculate the maximum cc rating
-a photo copied page from haynes manual showing the tare weight of all the mk1 models
-in the same email ask him to quote you a price to do the mod plate

Once he agrees that he can do you a mod plate and gives you the price,
check with him first but I'm pretty sure you got the green light to build it.
after which you might have to update the details of the car with Queeensland Transport as it
will now have a new engine number.