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  • #16
    The small cube Polo engines use different engine mount locations, so require some more skill to fit properly. They're really not worth fitting unless you put the car on a major diet, as none of them have much torque. I have a 1.6 16v w/ 6spd out of a Lupo GTI I've had wrapped up for a few years now, but I've never hurried to fit it. It depends what you want, really.

    For example, a 1.4 16v on Webers won't even be much quicker than a healthy 1.6 8v!!

    Bang for buck depends on how much you can do yourself, and how well you can do it. It's all well and good to throw $ figures around, but no swap costs the same amount, as everyone replaces (or doesn't replace) different numbers of parts etc, and all Mk1s are in different levels of condition etc.

    Personally, I don't like Megasquirt, but I do know it has a valid place in the market. So many people pay for it, frig around installing it, then leave much of the engine standard... why not just fit OE management and maintain the reliable diagnostics? It's also a hell of a lot easier and cheaper. If you want to heavily modify something and can't afford a proper standalone ECU, then MS is worth considering, but there are only a couple of heavily modified engines on this forum! In most cases OE systems are actually quicker and easier to adapt to modified setups than a complete MS install anyway.

    I would get a 1.8, fit a 276 cam, run a decent 2nd hand carb and use the 4spd box to keep the stacked up gearing. Good fun, cheap, and will sound quite nice too

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Valver. View Post
      I would get a 1.8, fit a 276 cam, run a decent 2nd hand carb and use the 4spd box to keep the stacked up gearing. Good fun, cheap, and will sound quite nice too
      Haha, that's exactly my plan for the 1.8 I've got in one of my MK1s. Already got the cam and carby

      They're a great motor, easy to fit and they go like stink. Hydro lifters make it nice and quiet and it's all 20 years newer than the MK1 1600.

      For a street car they're a fantastic option. The 2.0L isn't as fun, I don't know why people fit them over the 1800.
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      • #18
        Listen to Valver mate, you usually have to pay for that kind of advice. a 1.8 8v will give you ALOT of fun and still do 300,000km whilst getting the pants thrashed off it daily. Get some extractors, fit a webber DCOE carb, a 276 cam and just have fun mate
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        • #19
          How about a 1.8l 8v with EFI?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MeeM View Post
            How about a 1.8l 8v with EFI?
            EFI conversion is expensive to do properly if you're on a tight budget, and really isn't needed unless you want to get serious with tuning, or intend to do a later model engine swap down the track.

            It's a great thing to do, but you're better off doing it with a 20v or ABF 16v swap, or something along these lines

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            • #21
              Hmmm bummer. Didn't VW make a 1.8 EFI for the Mk3?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MeeM View Post
                Hmmm bummer. Didn't VW make a 1.8 EFI for the Mk3?
                Yes they did, it's called mono-motronic. It has a single injector mounted in an electronic carby.

                Almost any carby will work better.

                Some people have installed the 1.8 EFI but honestly a carb will be simpler, cheaper, quicker to install, more reliable, easier to service and go a whole lot faster.

                But what would I know? I've only done it about 5 times now........................
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                • #23
                  Hmmm that sounds reasonable ... I'll have to give it more thought. I appreciate your seasoned advice

                  Just curious to know if the 2.0 ADY engine (EFI) would be too difficult to install or not? I imagine I'd have to do away with the air con compressor in order to make it fit?

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                  • #24
                    The a/c has to go and so does the power steering pump.

                    Exhaust will need modifying the 2.0 blocks are taller.

                    You need to remove the fuel tank and have it modified to take the in tank pump.

                    Depending on your approach there will be issues with the imobiliser.

                    Inlet manifold hits rain tray.

                    Clutch disc might need changing.

                    May need to change water pump to be able to use correct offset pulley.

                    Really you'd want to put a Cordoba or Polo dashboard in the car too so you could run the matching gauges.

                    Or you could just bolt in an 1800

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Peter Jones View Post
                      Or you could just bolt in an 1800
                      The man speaks the truth... go a 1800....
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                      • #26
                        And here I was thinking I'd be awesome with my Mk1 with power steering! lol

                        Hmmm the 1800 is looking more attractive now. I plan on keeping the Mk1 for a long time so i can always attempt a larger engine transplant later down the track.

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                        • #27
                          The last thing you want in a Mk1 is power steering!!! One of the greatest things about old cars is the feedback you get through the steering. This is all but drained out of pretty much all modern cars and takes a big chunk out of the driving experience.

                          If you're worried about the heaviness of the steering, you can increase the front wheel track, which alters the steering geometry (in turn lightening the steering feel... to cut a long story short anyway)

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                          • #28
                            Yeah that's what I figured after I made my last post ... I figured the whole point of rebuilding an older car is to enjoy real driving, without complex electronic nannies controlling your every move.

                            I'd love to get a/c in there though ... that'll be a nice challenge!

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                            • #29
                              Seems like a lot of advice against going the 2.0 16v route.

                              But what parts would be needed to drop one in apart from engine & ecu?

                              Looking into a manifold from the uk, what other parts would I need to get my hands on?

                              What sort of labour costs of putting it in?

                              Cheers

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