TDI 1.6L Injector Problems

[MAD]

Well very interesting the thing has been used only on BP , don't suppose you kept all those receipts .
Id be parking the thing out the front of your dealer with a big cutout lemon on it.

hey Guys

I was strict on receipts at First But the Wife is lazy and wouldn't keep it up, Now she understands why!
Do have last few years of credit card statements for showing BP service stations only though, although its not going to help, they are not claiming its fuel type , and they would be quite stupid to try! ( I have kept all my BP receipts on my Transporter though )

Cant get a better outcome from VW than $2800 total parts and labour , Unfortunately gunna have to go with it as I've had enough!
As far as I'm concerned its theft and should have been fully covered by VW for such an early failure,
I cannot get a straight answer from VW service or customer care as to why injectors would have a fault at such low K's? It must be a miraculous failure as its not a manufacturing factory fault according to Customer service as they say never happened before, (which is untrue as the VW parts guy I know well said he's sold 4 sets of them, and an Independent who is an X VW technician said its extremely common, and a third independent VW specialist the same), VW service say the "Non Genuine Diesel additive wouldn't have damaged them" , I asked if they did extensive Laboratory and real world testing to Prove that before putting it in our car? just to hear them stutter and squirm, Typically Lying and denying seems to be their only answers, VW and its representatives obviously still haven't learnt from Diesel gate have they?

Told them the old injectors must be returned to me ! This freaked them out , which is exactly as I wanted!
I'm going to get them independently tested and I'm not exactly a dumb ass myself either so will do some testing of my own, It also assures me that they're not just removing them and cleaning them ! (as you can tell I trust VW zero%)

Will keep you updated to how it goes and will be interesting to see if the fuel economy changes after the injector are done,

Still Not happy at all with this, Quite disgusted in fact! definitely won't be updating to a T6 or Amarok ever! and bet the wife will start looking for a different brand car very soon also, as so will I !

Know of any Quality Manufacturers that don't Lie and deceive there customers anyone? LOL

[Ryeman]

Their behaviour reminds me of the old pommy attitude to the colonies that signalled the end for them.
Arrogance has it's consequences.

Vw have confirmed they will cease with 'clean diesel' strategy in the U.S. come 2019.
BMW's emissions homologation process in the U.S. has been delayed by the EPA focus on them now.

[Transporter]

Their behaviour reminds me of the old pommy attitude to the colonies that signalled the end for them.
Arrogance has it's consequences.

Vw have confirmed they will cease with 'clean diesel' strategy in the U.S. come 2019.
BMW's emissions homologation process in the U.S. has been delayed by the EPA focus on them now.

IMO, the VW should never start sellinng the cars there. There are many countries in the world that would take the access of the VW production.

[Transporter]

an Independent who is an X VW technician said its extremely common, and a third independent VW specialist the same),

Can any of the 2 independents do the repair for you for less than what was the best price from your delear?

The injectors can fail from many casues, but also from misfueling with petrol, contaminated fuel and so on. Did you keep all the invoices from the dealer to have a proof that you complained about the engine not running well?

[Ryeman]

IMO, the VW should never start sellinng the cars there. There are many countries in the world that would take the access of the VW production.

New Delhi has deregistered 10+ year old diesels so along with China the writing seems to be on the wall.

[dinoaus]

How did you go with this?

I'm having the same issue with my TDI Polo 2011 model. The car sometimes shutters, losses power and may stall. VW have told me the injectors need replacing, and want to charge $4000. This only happens sometimes, I would have thought that if the injectors were the issue that the car would run badly all the time.

I'm wondering if the problem is actually the DSG gear box.

[Ryeman]

....and for $4500 they'll throw in a long motor I suppose........sheeesh!

[MAD]

How did you go with this?

I'm having the same issue with my TDI Polo 2011 model. The car sometimes shutters, losses power and may stall. VW have told me the injectors need replacing, and want to charge $4000. This only happens sometimes, I would have thought that if the injectors were the issue that the car would run badly all the time.

I'm wondering if the problem is actually the DSG gear box.

Gday there,

Basically No one at VW Gives A F%&K!, ours had only done low k's,
Dealer tried to give discount but was stuff all, so called Vw Customer care and after literally 1 month of back and forth (i was not letting them off lightly) they ended up agreeing to 30% off parts as a good will gesture, I did some more study, and if they were to do the work I demanded that i get the old injectors back, they denied i had the right to the old injectors as it was being covered under warranty, I said its a good will gesture not warranty, they said 'same thing' , I said your only paying 30% discount on the new parts so you do not own the old parts ( i own the parts they came with my VW that i paid for and if i want them to test them they are mine not there's! (they just want them to hide the evidence of a possible recall requirement !)) , I kept researching as I'd had enough of the B.S. they kept spinning, seriously NO ONE! NO ONE at VW Gives a F^&K about the customer i spoke to about 15 of them not one GAF,
I asked them for a final quote with the discounts added (was still to high) but what i found was that the Injectors had just been superseded from O3L 130 277B to O3L 130 277S, I asked why and they would not say ( obviously the old ones have problems as we all know, they are just not telling anyone!!!!! ) and stated to them if they've been superseded then it should be under 100% warranty, they would not come to the party, so basically told them where to go!!! got my car back as it was with the intermittent problem same as yours and found the parts at "Cheaper diesel spares Australia" for $1800 delivered (note: are siemens part no. but same injectors) and had them installed by an ex VW trained mechanic near us for about $240 , it fixed the issue and actually gave us the best fuel economy that id ever seen in the car, the actual factory claimed economy, I had been complaining we could never get anywhere near to that economy no matter how feather foot i was before, we were getting about double originally, this showed me the injectors had an issue in this vehicle from day 1 but didn't show up as a major issue till later on,

I would suggest putting in an expensive injector cleaner such as liquid moly and see how it goes for a while, and if its no good goto cheaper diesel spares aus, and buy the injectors there and get them installed by an independent MECH that knows VW really well,

I own 2 VW's and am quite ashamed of it now, they are a discussing company that has an inherently evil culture of treating the customer as CR&P, they try everything to pass fault onto customers and take liability away from them, Look up Auto expert on Youtube and see his Accurate descriptions of VW especially relating to the diesel gate scandal and older DSG death issues,

these injectors should have been recalled for safety reasons due to the fact they can stall the vehicle at anytime and cause a very unsafe situation, but until people Die it will not happen!

Hope this helps

u can see why my name is MAD
( struggle to find the happiness with VW)

Cya

PS: Cheaper diesels spares Australia say they sell tonnes of this injector ( the VW siemens O3L 130 277B and S) he said the bosch ones are much better in other VW engines and don't have anywhere near the issues of the siemens ones (yes siemens CR are as bad as Siemens PD)

[dinoaus]

Thanks Mad, Will give the cleaner a try, and if it doesn't work will look at Cheaper Diesel Spares. They have the injectors for $1900 for 4. Which is better then $3600 that VW wants to charge.

When I'm ready to get the injectors, might take my car for them to test to make sure the injectors need replacing. They test for free if you purchase the injectors from them.

[gldgti]

Good info thanks MAD.

Its really horrible that VW are like this nowadays. I think I'm going to stick with all the models that were pre "we want to be the biggest manufacturer in the world" days.

When I first bought my 08 allroad, and the honeymoon period wore off, I realised its a much lower quality vehicle overall than the old model C5 one. And the more I scrutinise VAG products, the more I realise that up until the 2000's they were building the cars I fell in love with, and I fell in love with those cars because they were awesome, and because the company had credibility.

But then they got greedy, and since then theres been a massive compromise lurking somewhere, in every car. Its sad.

I still love VAG cars, especially the older ones.... but I cant love what they've become. Its like Luke went to the darkside and didnt come back.

[jets]

I agree with some of that gldgti although my Mk5 is better built than my Mk2 GTI was. There was a thread 1-2 years ago on the T4 Forum where some said that the T4 was the last of the over engineered VWs. While they have a couple of items that can fail they are generally trouble free & long lasting.
My opinion of some of the later cars is to stay in the front of the pack in technology, they have rushed into production instead of thorough long term testing. Basically the new owner is doing the testing. I also understand how competitive the market is & VW is expected to compete on price with lesser vehicles from cheaper manufacturing countries.

[gldgti]

jets, I think the the mk5 is a GREAT car. The mk5 is the car that really made VW, in VW's new age. They spent a lot of money on developing the mk5 to give them the slingshot they needed.... but I think it started going the way you describe after that.
And TBH, the mk2 I fell was a bit unlucky in that it landed the changover duty from the tried and true chrome and steel methodology of the 50's-70's into the body coloured bumpers of the 90's, and all of the interior and exterior trim parts, in their many revisions, suffered. The mk2 is awesome underneath, though, as evidenced by the fact that nothing much changed from the mk2 to the mk4 in terms of suspension/driveline.

[feenix74]

I agree with you gldgti, in my opinion the Mk5 is the pinnacle of VW engineering excellence, just the little touches like the red light in the centre roof console that illuminates the centre console area in the dark, the strong 2.0L TDI pump-duse engine that with a little bit of tweaking really shines. My Mk3 CL is the pinnacle of VW engineering reliability, it is the final evolution of the simple, reliable and over-engineered design that started with the Mk1 evolved through Mk2 and ended with the Mk3 CL. My Mk3 Vento GL is the start of the pursuit of the new age VW with the mod-cons plus bells and whistles which took a big step forward with the Mk4 and culminated with the Mk5. However the Mk3 GL it is not a reliable as the CL - yes I am staring at you electric window regulators that are designed to fail.

The Mk6 is a really a Mk5.5 - a Mk5 with a prettier butt. However, many changes to the design were made to make it much less complex to manufacture (told to me by a VW dealer principal at the time at a social BBQ) which is code for the bean-counters and executive screamed that the Mk5 was too costly to produce and squeezed the engineers to get a simpler designed Mk6 which was more profitable to produce.

[jets]

designed to fail.

The Mk6 is a really a Mk5.5 - a Mk5 with a prettier butt. However, many changes to the design were made to make it much less complex to manufacture (told to me by a VW dealer principal at the time at a social BBQ) which is code for the bean-counters and executive screamed that the Mk5 was too costly to produce and squeezed the engineers to get a simpler designed Mk6 which was more profitable to produce.

I agree, the Mk6 has a prettier butt.
I remember a figure of 45 hours to build the Mk5 while the Mitsubishi 380 was around 19 hrs. I always thought the detachable door skins would cost assembly time compared with the traditional way, but having never looked at a Mk6 close enough, I have no idea what else VW did to save production costs.

[gldgti]

I remember a figure of 45 hours to build the Mk5 while the Mitsubishi 380 was around 19 hrs.

My father in law owned one of those junk heaps. 19 hours figures. You could see the phillips head screws holding the interior door panels together while you sat there in pain on the 'made out of a council pickup lounge' seats.