Diesel Particulate Filter

[250 downunder]

Hi, my name is Ray.
I have recently purchased a late 2006 golf 2.0 TDI for my wife. I am trying to ascertain whether the vehicle has a DPF fitted. The VW literature gives specs for the 2 litre engine with and without a DPF. Is it possible to tell by the engine code or do I have to remove covers and look for the dreaded bloated down pipe.
My interest stems from the fact that I would like to run Biodiesel in the vehicle. I produce my own biodiesel and run it in my F250 7.3L Powerstroke diesel. To date I have had no problems with the truck but have only recently progressed to running 100%. I pay particular attention to the purity of my biodiesel and control water content and PH very carefully. I filter it to 5 microns before it goes into the vehicle, and have an additional filter on the truck, pre lift pump.
Any help or comments about running Bio in the VW would be much appreciated.

[benough]

Hi, my name is Ray.
I have recently purchased a late 2006 golf 2.0 TDI for my wife. I am trying to ascertain whether the vehicle has a DPF fitted.

No it wont. The only Golf with the DPF is the TDI GT Sport.

My First Golf, an 07 Build, 08 Spec 2.0 TDI Comfortline had a DPF tag on the key but it didn't have a DPF. When you gave it a big push up a hill it would blow a tiny bit of smoke.

From what I understand VW don't recommend biodiesel in these Golfs because of fuel thickening, damage to the injectors etc.

[dumbmonkey]

No it wont. The only Golf with the DPF is the TDI GT Sport.

My First Golf, an 07 Build, 08 Spec 2.0 TDI Comfortline had a DPF tag on the key but it didn't have a DPF. When you gave it a big push up a hill it would blow a tiny bit of smoke.

From what I understand VW don't recommend biodiesel in these Golfs because of fuel thickening, damage to the injectors etc.

I believe the actual reason they don't recommend using bio is, if you have a dpf and it goes through the regeneration cycle (making the exhaust temps really high to burn all the accumulated crap out of the dpf), the over fuelling that occurs for this causes some fuel to get into the block. And apparently bio doesn't play well with the oil etc...

Though I have heard many theories of why they dont like bio, or bio blends being used with this engine, this makes the most sense. NFI what they do in Europe to prevent this though...

[Greg Roles]

I believe the actual reason they don't recommend using bio is, if you have a dpf and it goes through the regeneration cycle (making the exhaust temps really high to burn all the accumulated crap out of the dpf), the over fuelling that occurs for this causes some fuel to get into the block. And apparently bio doesn't play well with the oil etc...

Though I have heard many theories of why they dont like bio, or bio blends being used with this engine, this makes the most sense. NFI what they do in Europe to prevent this though...

Spot on about the regeneration cycle mate, as this is the only reason given in all the VW manuals I recently printed off ErWin. VW also suggests an upgraded fuel heater on their "bio" models.

250 downunder, go look up "dutchaussie" in the Caddy section, he's a bio burner from way back, and is currently doing a lot of research and fact finding about the VW's, most probably for his bio e-book he is due to complete in the next few months.

I'm on his "want one" list!

[250 downunder]

Dpf

Thanks for the input. I will check out "Dutchaussie".
If the vehicle has no DPF I might be tempted to start running some low percentage blends. The car has only done 19k. so I don't expect there to be too much rubbish throughout the fuel system for the bio to remove.

[mr.damage]

Thanks for the input. I will check out "Dutchaussie".
If the vehicle has no DPF I might be tempted to start running some low percentage blends. The car has only done 19k. so I don't expect there to be too much rubbish throughout the fuel system for the bio to remove.

250 I have done 75000 k in my polo on bio 100 with no problems.
I know for sure the polo has no dpf so no problems there. If you dont have one id say go for it.

[bluey]

VW manual for Polo says EN590 compliant bio/diesel blend (Probably B5) is fine.

[CatonaPC©]

Why has VW chosen to only fit DPF on the GTi? What advantages or disadvantages are there in having one. Am I better off without one?

[bluey]

Half of currently available VW diesels have DPF. All new models will have DPF to meet Euro IV emissions targets. (Data sourced from VW brochures current Nov 2008.)

No DPF in:
* Polo TDI MY08 or MY09.
* Golf V TDI 1.9 and 2.0(103kW)
* New Beetle (current spec dates March 0.
* Jetta MY08 TDI (still current).

DPF is in:
* Golf V TDI 2.0(125kW)
* Passat MY09
* Tiguan TDI MY09
* EOS TDI MY09
* Touareg TDI MY09

I understand the main problem DPF is with biofuels and has to do with the potential level of carbon collected resulting in either DPF clogging or the unburned fuel which is periodically sent to the DPF via engine to regenerate the DPF in combination with high carbon loads causing DPF temperature problems.

Note VW recommends high cetane fuel 51CN on newer models (49CN on older models). The higher cetane fuel burns cleaner with less smoke (and less diesel noise). Regular diesel is of variable cetane (min standard 46CN). So it is probably better to use high cetane diesel (BP Ultimate or Caltex Vortex) or to use a cetane improving additive (eg Amsoil, Duralt, Morey's diesel smoke killer). BP Ultimate is standard refined diesel with an additive package including a nitro cetane improver.

So the same potential problems could occur with low grade standard diesel. With a DPF, you wouldn't see the smoke out the back to know if the fuel is not so good. I wonder what VW would say about warranty given the specification for cetane number in the brochures if someone fuelled a DPF car with standard diesel and the DPF failed or overheated.

Note: There are numerous reports of injector clogging and premature injector failure and expensive repairs from lower grades of biofuels without additives. High grade biodiesel with additives seems to cause less problems from what I have been reading. I'd be happy to try B5 but beyond that am a bit wary of medium/long term problems until more evidence emerges.

[gregozedobe]

Why has VW chosen to only fit DPF on the GTi? What advantages or disadvantages are there in having one. Am I better off without one?

Did you mean Golf GT TDI ? The Golf GTI is petrol (as is the Polo GTI).

I think the GT TDI was more recently available in Oz, so it came with a DPF before other models (eg 1.9 and 2.0 103Kw TDIs) that were already on the market.

The advantages of a DPF are:

Less pollution (both visible - soot, and invisible)
In some markets, less tax (because of less pollution)
Will still be able to be sold in markets where pollution controls are tightening (ie almost all developed countries).

Disadvantages:
More components, more things to go wrong (early ones were prone to faulty sensors), more weight
Increased fuel consumption (regeneration, plus exhaust restriction)
Not well suited to driving in heavy traffic (needs frequent regeneration)
Reduces power potential with remapping

If you do a search here and other forums you will find more (much more ) information about DPFs.

I have one on my Transporter, and I have had zero problems with it (and like the lack of soot when I am giving it a bootfull, as it it is much less likely to attract unwanted attention from anyone).

[CatonaPC©]

Sorry, I'm getting mixed up with the GT.

[jggolf]

I have a GT Sport 2.0 TDi and today low and behold the DPF light came on the dash. I took my car straight to be dealer and they suggest to take the car for a run until the light went out on the dash, they also said that the light comes on then the engine reaches a computer reading of 17 (parts per million)? I had a reading of 22.
They also suggested to take the car for a long run every weekend and that sydney peak hour traffic is no good for the GT's as they like autobaun runs?

Can anyone back this up or were they pulling my leg???

Gill

[Oneofthegreats]

YEP. DPF's, don't like traffic at all & can get clogged up real fast!

We had a demo, that had clogged up 30% in less than 3000K.

[gregozedobe]

I have a GT Sport 2.0 TDi .....

They also suggested to take the car for a long run every weekend and that sydney peak hour traffic is no good for the GT's as they like autobaun runs?

Can anyone back this up or were they pulling my leg???

That sounds about right. Lots of UK people are having DPF problems with the 125Kw 2.0 TDI in traffic. There have also been quite a few engines with faulty DPF sensors (pressure sensors IIRC) triggering un-needed regenerations, so not all the problems have been actual clogged DPFs.

If you refrain from giving it a bootful while driving in heavy traffic it will produce less soot and therefore go longer between regenerations. When cruising along the highway at 2,000rpm or more it can do a "passive" regeneration without you knowing. It can also do an "active" regeneration after driving in heavy traffic (it will display a msg on the MDF apparently), and dealers can also do a "forced" regeneration.

If you do some searching you will find lots of info about DPFs and their problems.

[Russ59]

Just be sure and pull over somewhere if it decides to go into the regen. cycle whilst in traffic, I have experienced this once already (although mine was on a cold motor which probably made it worse) you will know if it starts the regen. because generally the car will run a bit rough and unpredictable and the idle will sit on 1000 rpm until it has completed the cycle. I found it near impossible to drive without stalling on take off, really quite dangerous !!

Russ