ChippedUK ST3 the alternative to Bluefin

[Jaymz]

Seat of the pants and quoted figures on a website are all very well but is anyone game to put one of these on the dyno? It would be good to see how good the mapping really is. It would be good to see what $600 buys.

It would actually be good to see how smooth all the curves are. Get the fuel curve on there also.

Find a dyno that has 'shoot out' mode so you can compare apples with apples. Whether they're the same colour is another question though

[orsegtsport]

$600 buys you immense satisfaction.

It would be good to see the dyno figures and curves, but at the end of the day you don't need pretty graphs to tell you how a car is performing, it's how the car feels when you drive it that matters, and it feels fantastic.

My guess is (having driven 'Bluefinned' cars before) is that Bluefin would probably produce more power, but also be a little more brutal in it's delivery. It's a pity there aren't any GT TDI owners in Perth with Bluefin, otherwise I would perform the ultimate comparison of acceleration- a straight line run across 400m of black top (at Motorplex, Kwinana of course ). Hmmm actually, it's about time they saw an oiler down at the drags .... might wait until I get a better induction system first...

[Jaymz]

$600 buys you immense satisfaction.

It would be good to see the dyno figures and curves, but at the end of the day you don't need pretty graphs to tell you how a car is performing, it's how the car feels when you drive it that matters, and it feels fantastic.

My guess is (having driven 'Bluefinned' cars before) is that Bluefin would probably produce more power, but also be a little more brutal in it's delivery. It's a pity there aren't any GT TDI owners in Perth with Bluefin, otherwise I would perform the ultimate comparison of acceleration- a straight line run across 400m of black top (at Motorplex, Kwinana of course ). Hmmm actually, it's about time they saw an oiler down at the drags .... might wait until I get a better induction system first...

I beg to differ. I believe there is a lot more to it than seat of the pants and how fast it will go up the quarter.
At the end of the day its a diesel and not a race car. I do believe its a performance car in its own right and the pretty graphs will actually give you a better comparison than anyones back end sitting in a chair.
It will also give everyone else out there who hasn't purchased new maps for their car something to look over so they know their money is well spent.

[orsegtsport]

I'm not disputing that there's valuable information to gained from dyno graphs, but nothing tells you more about a car's performance than actually driving it. If you are given the choice between buying a tuning product based on a dyno graph, or actually test driving a car fitted with the product, you would go with the latter option wouldn't you?

Dyno graphs are good for illustrating performance gains to prospective purchasers, but I reckon testimonials from several very satisfied customers are even more valuable. Where driveability is concerned, a graph can't compare to actually having a drive of the car imo. And if you want to compare the outright performance gains in terms of power and speed, then I'll take side by side acceleration tests over a dyno shootout any day of the week.

I actually went to the drags in my old XR5 to compare my dreamscience map against the bluefin map that my mate was running in his XR5. The Bluefin dyno graphs claimed to have roughly the same power and torque, but I knew from driving both that I had a performance edge. Anyway, I ran 14 flats all night, and he ran 14.3's, which confirmed what I suspected. Sure there is driver skill involved in such comparisons, but he was a very competent driver, and our 60ft times were very similar, so I'm happy that it was simply a case of my map out performing his.

[cetane]

Both right!

You guys are both correct. Car performance is all about how the thing drives and feels, however when you're recounting your experiences to someone else they need something to look at as they cannot feel it themselves.

My "honey" is going to get a request for "money". I'm convinced that I won't be disappointed, however I'll do the right thing and wait until the 3 year warranty expires. The car's too big an investment to risk teh dealer refusing to fix her should a fault occur.

What tickles me most is here we are, in a VW diesel part of the forum, talking about performance! And with 0-100kph times of 7.2sec from a diesel hatch! In the early days of this forum all of the diesel posts are about how slow the Mk1 diesel is and how to keep it from running away from you! My Mk1 diesel has a 0-100kph time of about 1 year (but I still love her ).

[Greg Roles]

Yeah kiss and make up you two!

I'm sitting on the fence till the DPF delete tunes for "insane torque" and "ludicrous KW" come out. I look forward to clutch issues.

[orsegtsport]

Yeah kiss and make up you two!

I'm sitting on the fence till the DPF delete tunes for "insane torque" and "ludicrous KW" come out. I look forward to clutch issues.

No need to make up, we're all friends here, Jaymz and I were simply expressing contrasting view points on a particular subject.

Although, if you do remove your DPF, I'll be giving you a good telling off!

[Jaymz]

I'm not disputing that there's valuable information to gained from dyno graphs, but nothing tells you more about a car's performance than actually driving it. If you are given the choice between buying a tuning product based on a dyno graph, or actually test driving a car fitted with the product, you would go with the latter option wouldn't you?

I agree, sort of. Can I say both? I would like to do some research and then drive. Only problem is with that scenario is that for the cost of a plane ticket to where you are I could've bought a ST3. So thats why i'm suggesting some collated graphs for a comparison.

Dyno graphs are good for illustrating performance gains to prospective purchasers, but I reckon testimonials from several very satisfied customers are even more valuable. Where driveability is concerned, a graph can't compare to actually having a drive of the car imo.

I agree with this...

And if you want to compare the outright performance gains in terms of power and speed, then I'll take side by side acceleration tests over a dyno shootout any day of the week.

But this, hmm. Are our cars really quarter mile weapons??? Its not what I bought mine for.
We're all big boys with our toys at the end of the day, its just that I think we have a different view point on what we want from our diesels.

Would be very happy to read your full testimonial on the tuning when you have time. Really interested in the tractability, low speed torque and how much better your economy is.

[orsegtsport]

But this, hmm. Are our cars really quarter mile weapons??? Its not what I bought mine for.
We're all big boys with our toys at the end of the day, its just that I think we have a different view point on what we want from our diesels.

Jaymz, I think you may have misinterpreted my point about side by side acceleration testing. I'm not suggesting for a second that I bought my car as a drag racer, and I wouldn't have sold my much faster XR5 if I all I wanted was a quick car (I actually bought the GT TDI because I'm an Env. Scientist as well as a car enthusiast, and wanted the ultimate blend of performance, fuel economy and low emissions).

I just think that running two cars side by side at full throttle is a great way to compare outright performance. Driveability can be tested by a nice leisurely test drive.

I'm keen to go the drags (only once) both out of interest, (to see what the car can do with the ecu edit), and also because it's great fun giving young blokes in V6 commonbores the reality check that they so desperately need, especially in a diesel!

I'll load the economy map on Saturday, and report my findings.

[Logzy]

I'll load the economy map on Saturday, and report my findings.

Yeah, I havent got around to that either.
Might do it this weekend.

[Jaymz]

Jaymz, I think you may have misinterpreted my point about side by side acceleration testing. I'm not suggesting for a second that I bought my car as a drag racer, and I wouldn't have sold my much faster XR5 if I all I wanted was a quick car (I actually bought the GT TDI because I'm an Env. Scientist as well as a car enthusiast, and wanted the ultimate blend of performance, fuel economy and low emissions).

I just think that running two cars side by side at full throttle is a great way to compare outright performance. Driveability can be tested by a nice leisurely test drive.

I'm keen to go the drags (only once) both out of interest, (to see what the car can do with the ecu edit), and also because it's great fun giving young blokes in V6 commonbores the reality check that they so desperately need, especially in a diesel!

I'll load the economy map on Saturday, and report my findings.

All good Let us know what you come up with

[Greg Roles]

But this, hmm. Are our cars really quarter mile weapons???

Not yet....

[Greg Roles]

I'm keen to go the drags (only once) both out of interest, (to see what the car can do with the ecu edit), and also because it's great fun giving young blokes in V6 commonbores the reality check that they so desperately need, especially in a diesel!

Me too, be good to know what it'll do stock, and what's possible from there...

In the end, for me, it's all about suprising people with a weezy 2 litre diesel.

[gregozedobe]

In the end, for me, it's all about suprising people with a weezy 2 litre diesel.

But if you've got a DPF they won't even know it's a diesel (unless they see and realize the significance of the TDI badge).

I find it great fun to see the look of bewilderment on some people's face when they realize they are actually being left behind from the traffic lights by a great big white (diesel) van, after they specifically changed lanes coming up to the red light so they wouldn't get stuck behind the "slow van" in the left lane.

Much the same thing happens on steep hills on the highway too (I don't speed up, but I don't slow down one iota either).

[orsegtsport]

Well I haven't had time to hook up the G-tech Pro SS (I'm in the middle of moving house), so I can't give any actual figures, but I can say that the economy map is definitely not as impressive as the fast road map. Not only was it notably slower than fast road (probably no quicker than stock), it did not appear to be any more economical.

The driveability is improved over stock (because the 'big hole' below 1800 rpm has been largely eradicated), but it didn't feel as smooth as fast road and definitely didn't have the same grunt. So after 5 days, I went back to the fast road map, and instantly got a very big smile on my face.