Diesel Prices today wtf??? 30c dearer than regular ULP

[Logzy]

diesel is diesel.... as long as I don't put bio diesel....it is no like petrol.

No its not, remember oils aint oils.
I'll only use BP diesel as its currently the only brand with 10ppm sulphur content.
Other brands are 50ppm
The lower the sulphur the better it is for the DPF.

[Greg Roles]

http://www.biofuelsforum.com/using_biodiesel/427-06_vw_golf_tdi_advice_required.html

I'm getting involved and active on this forum to learn.

Interesting real world take:

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_110008/article.html

[Greg Roles]

Lets hope so.

Is anyone brave enough to run Bio in their PD engine?

I saw a mk1 GLD down the street from me that has the "Runs on BioDiesel" sticker on the back.

You just never know what fools may try!

[smithy010]

Another factor in price is of course the sulfur level..

Since they've all gone to low sulfur fuel, it requires more processing, or choosing the right crude to start with, therefore increasing the price..

[origin]

Hi Logzy,

My passat doesn't have DPF... It doesn't make any different to me...

Is it going void my warranty if I don't use 10ppm??

I don't have sticker on my door tank if I need 10ppm...It said no bio....

No wonder I got a lot of smoke... 50ppm all the time..... Sorry

[Greg Roles]

Well shyte if LOGZY does it......

BP it is!!

( payout disclaimer - already using BP as it is supposedly the highest performing diesel at the moment, and I am after the neddies... )

[Logzy]

Hi Logzy,

My passat doesn't have DPF... It doesn't make any different to me...

Is it going void my warranty if I don't use 10ppm??

I don't have sticker on my door tank if I need 10ppm...It said no bio....

No wonder I got a lot of smoke... 50ppm all the time..... Sorry

All i was saying is Diesel is NOT Diesel and different grades (sulphur content) are available.
For the DPF lower sulphur is better as its the sulphur that produces the majority of the soot in the smoke.

[mr_walker]

Check this link out, and bring up the page for Diesel fuels. And I thought there was only "just diesel".

http://www.caltex.com.au/products_oi....asp?section=1

(I'm limited to Caltex because of my lease Starcard).

[Golf Loon]

In fact, I am rather keen to start a business importing those clever biodiesel units that are popping up all over the UK at the moment Drop your scraps in it everynight, plug it in, and top up your car each morning. About 2000 pounds, which is about a years fuel bill for me.....probably down to 9 months now!

FU to the oil companies indeed!

Do you have a link to one of these?

Couldn`t you import one and get em copied and made here?

[cetane]

It's tough in Indonesia....

According to this morning's ABC News report, the Indonesians are going to be considerably out of pocket when fuel goes up 28.7% to 65 cents a litre....That's right...65 cents! Apparently, the government has been subsiding fuel for years and now intends to "soften the blow" of rising world oil prices by incremental cuts to this subsidy.... Mmmm....If it's going up by 28.7% then it must have been around 46 cents before. Sure, we know that average earnings over there are only a fraction of ours, and there are a lot of very poor people, but to be paying a third of what we do for fuel does make you wonder. Even with our government's excise (around 38 cents) and GST take (around 15 cents) deducted from the price of diesel (here around $1.80) it brings the price of the product to $1.27. That means the Indonesian government is subsidising to the tune of 62 cents a litre after the 28.7% rise. For years Indonesia was a largish oil exporter, but like everywhere else the oil is running out. I wonder if they're restricting oil exports to provide for their own domestic market? Venezuela is doing the same, WA is preserving natural gas for it's own use....maybe Australia should follow suit before we run out of oil altogether.

[cetane]

Forever the entrepenaur...

Do you have a link to one of these?

Couldn`t you import one and get em copied and made here?

Loon... the entrepreneur!

Actually, a good mate of mine is working on such a device right now. It's been trialled and it works. He and a couple of boffins at Hobart Uni are building a full scale plant that will turn virtually anything with a high hydrocarbon (fat/wax/oil) content into biodiesel. They already have customers such as abattoirs ready to install the plant and turn tallow and other fat waste into fuel. (Did you know that butchers have to pay for the disposal of their waste fat trimmings?)

[OilBurna]

the bp refinery in brisbane is making a biodiesel from tallow (ie from cows) already...

[Greg Roles]

So we can run it in summer here then with no mods?

OK I found the info on why VW doesn't recommend bio. First the upgraded fuel heater as bio solidifies more readily than dino diesel. Secondly, here's the extract from the DPF tech bulletin page 33:

"Operation with biodiesel is not possible. The extended injection period for active regeneration of the DPF can lead to unburnt fuel on the cylinder wall entering the engine oil from the piston movement. Normal diesel fuel vaporises itself out of the oil in normal operating conditions. Biodiesel cannot do this effectively due to it's higher boiling point. The oil is thinned as a result, which can lead to engine damage.

Further if the fuel contians a high level of sulphur, this can lead to impaired function of the DPF with higher fuel consumption as a result of increased regeneration."

It seems the DPF regeneration cycle actively reduces the throttle valve ( air in ), turns off the EGR cooler ( hotter exhaust recycling ) and overinjects diesel all in the name of raising exhaust temps for 10 minutes to burn off carbon buildup in the DPF. It does mention turbo pressures are "adjusted" so the driver notices no performance difference ( interesting!! ) This happens only when the sensors before and after notice a blockage. Removal of the DPF and leaving these sensors to continually monitor a non DPF exhaust section would probably mean this active burn off would never happen. Still if you ran an EGT gauge, I see no reason you couldn't allow for "oil thinning" by watching for any active burn off attempts.

So Steve, seems if you really want to run Bio, ditch the DPF, make sure your fuel heater is up to the task, and make sure the dealer doesn't catch on. Once my car belongs to me in a few years, and I move on from my current "drive a lot" sales role, my golf will become a bio convert, and hopefully a nicely performing one!

[Greg Roles]

Do you have a link to one of these?

Couldn`t you import one and get em copied and made here?

If you have a look there are plenty being made here already, but I am looking for the more "pretty" and consumer friendly unit I saw a few months back. Trendy people wouldn't be into the agricultural looking ones presently available!

Seems as Autospeed so rightly point out, the problem is finding and collecting the waste oil etc to be used for production. Seems as oil prices rise, this will become more and more sought after.

Perhaps I can start a bio diesel machine import business, and a smiths crisps factory at the same time....hmmm

Anyone own a fish and chip shop??

[origin]

Ahh ahhh,

Finally someone got it..If I put 50ppm diesel ... I need to drive it like maniac

as long doesn't void my warranty... I am fine with it....


Logzy ....We don't have much choice.....only BP.......not like oils , VW is void your warranty for wrong oil...but ain;t diesel....


I guess 7eleven $1.51c......gone.....hopefully next month....