Diesel Prices today wtf??? 30c dearer than regular ULP

[MultiplexMan]

on the fuel price side, to the hatred of everyone, i know, i will say this: its about bloody time. we've been paying too little for fuel (and energy), for a very, very long time. now, we get the reality check. bring on the efficiency revolution i say.

- and yes, i pay my own bills.

Got to agree with you there. It had to happen eventually and its happening in our lifetime. The big crunch will not be us filling our tanks (though that hurts) but the knock on effects with bulk transport and the cost of living.

It will be interesting to see if the "inefficient" vehicles disappear off our roads. I doubt it.

If they do, and people start to plan their trips, car pool, use public transport, walk to the train station...etc, (I know not all of us have the option) perhaps local demand will decline? After all we live in a market driven economy - supply/demand rule still applies.

I just plan my trips more carefully and factor fuel cost into every trip now. No different when using the telephone: mobile or land line or waiting if you can email (cheapest).

Did I mention I'm tight?

PS Still love my Kombi Beach TDI.

[STV4SYT]

Im pretty disgusted with the current company car tax rules, where it actually lowers your tax bill the more km you do.

U basically get rewarded for polluting the environment.

I used to work at a company where people who were short of km's on their company vehicle would do things like drive to Brisbane instead of flying just to lower their liability. And all to often i heard the phrase "I don't give a f**k i don't pay fuel anyway"

things like this should be reconsidered and go to a model like in the uk where it is based on the co2 emissions of your car and km is unrelated.

Holden and Ford would be up in arms though for any changes like that.

[tezza]

Price Delay??

Guys can someone please explain to me why when the Tapas price goes up the prices at the pump go up almost immediately, yet when the price comes down it can takes weeks to be reflected at the pump

[Greg Roles]

Profit. It's always about the money.

[cetane]

Reduction delays

Guys can someone please explain to me why when the Tapas price goes up the prices at the pump go up almost immediately, yet when the price comes down it can takes weeks to be reflected at the pump

This happens because consumers have not "teeth" to prevent it. It's the same with rises/falls in interest rates. The RBA announces a rise in the cash rate and a few days later you're paying for it. When they announce a fall, it's weeks before you feel any benefit. I'm not entirely sure of why the Tapis price is always substantially higher than the New York spot price, but it's probably something to do with local supply and demand. Anybody know

[gldgti]

BIO-100 <--- cost our food supply high.....

all the biodiesel made in australia is made from waste veggie oil, not purpose grown crops.

its a different story for ethanol though.... despite the enormous potential for waste derived ethanol, almost all of the ethanol used in fuel here is derived directly from sugar cain.

all of our landfills and organic waste disposal depots should be used for collection of methane (natural gas) and reprocessing organic solids into ethanol. there are a few plants being built that do this - i think theres a waste grain into ethanol plant being built near Warren, NSW.

to make biodiesel, they even use old sump oil.... so i cant see how making biodiesel could create a social or environmental problem here, since all of it is made from an already waste product.

[silvershadow]

This is no real problem if you use quality bio with a low tallow content and take a few simple precautions. In winter i keep a small jar of bio in the shed next to the car and on very cold mornings check it to see if it has gone cloudy it only did it one day last winter and it was -3 that morning . all i had to do was give the glow plugs 2 cycles and it started all be it a bit harder than normal then let it idle for a few mins b4 taking off.
If I know we are in for a cold burst of nights near 1 deg i put $5 of normal diesel in per tank of bio and have no starting problems at all.

In my past employment, I had experience with diesel-powered mining and construction equipment which was hired to customers. I can always remember a large portable diesel air compressor which was shipped to the Snowy Mountains in the middle of winter with a tank full of non-alpine blend diesel. The operator checked the fuel before the first start of the engine in the morning and seeing the fuel was clear with no trace of wax, turned the glow plugs on for a few minutes then hit the starter - a few stutters then nothing. The operator then proceeded to flatten the battery trying to start the engine. When our service technician stripped the fuel injection system, there was liquid fuel on the intake side of the injection pump and a solid gel in the high pressure discharge lines - these had to be removed and heated with a gas torch to melt the gel as the daytime temperature was not sufficient. The heating could not be done "in situ" as other components would be damaged by the torch.

The problem was caused by the cold fuel "gelling" when it was pressurised. This is the reason why diesel vehicles sold in cold climates are supplied with fuel heaters as standard notwithstanding the fact "alpine blend" diesel is standard supply from retail outlets.

You have been lucky with your experience so far.

SS

[mr_walker]

Nonsense! Much of the biodiesel made in Aus is made from slaughterhouse waste - fats and oils from dead cows, pigs, sheep etc.

You can have dead cow on your seats, *and* in your tank!

[Passatwind]

Im pretty disgusted with the current company car tax rules, where it actually lowers your tax bill the more km you do.

U basically get rewarded for polluting the environment.

I used to work at a company where people who were short of km's on their company vehicle would do things like drive to Brisbane instead of flying just to lower their liability. And all to often i heard the phrase "I don't give a f**k i don't pay fuel anyway"

things like this should be reconsidered and go to a model like in the uk where it is based on the co2 emissions of your car and km is unrelated.

Holden and Ford would be up in arms though for any changes like that.

I'm with you on that one. I am surprised the FBT laws on company cars have lasted this long. Last year I pushed to do 25,000 km. Funny thing is I worked out that if I only do 15,000 km in a year, the additional tax liability is roughly offset by the reduction in running costs! So basically these people that bust a gut doing many excess kms are living in a fool's paradise.

[gldgti]

Nonsense! Much of the biodiesel made in Aus is made from slaughterhouse waste - fats and oils from dead cows, pigs, sheep etc.

ahh yes, that too..... i should've just said waste oil, not waste veggie oil.... sorry

[neil]

No good. I payed $1.35/l for my bio100 on friday. Glad my polo was one of the first to land here . It dose not have the no bio sticker on it or the section in the manual about not using it. It still has a section about it being ok. It realy p*&sed the guys off at the local dealer when i took it in for service and they noticed it had bio in it when they changed the fuel filter.
The head of the service department came to tell me i had voided my warranty.
I asked him why and all he could come up with was that it said I wasnt to use it on the sticker and in the manual, so I asked him to point out the section in the manual and the sticker. (burned). I then asked him after he picked his jaw up off the workshop floor for any valid reason why i cant use it. The only reason he could come up with is that the aus polo has no fuel heater.
This is no real problem if you use quality bio with a low tallow content and take a few simple precautions. In winter i keep a small jar of bio in the shed next to the car and on very cold mornings check it to see if it has gone cloudy it only did it one day last winter and it was -3 that morning . all i had to do was give the glow plugs 2 cycles and it started all be it a bit harder than normal then let it idle for a few mins b4 taking off.
If I know we are in for a cold burst of nights near 1 deg i put $5 of normal diesel in per tank of bio and have no starting problems at all.

Regarding fuel heater: Ryco make one, does not look much different to
the standard filter/water trap type.

About to do a blend of 25% WVO and dino diesel in my old ute and plan
to add the fuel heater.
neil.

[mr.damage]

Regarding fuel heater: Ryco make one, does not look much different to
the standard filter/water trap type.

About to do a blend of 25% WVO and dino diesel in my old ute and plan
to add the fuel heater.
neil.

Cool let us know how you go Neil.
Plus could you let us know where you found it and how much.

[Subaru Gal]

BP Boycotting???

An interseting letter to the editor on the weekend suggested that:

"If we as a society, suddenly stopped buying brand X indefinately, then brand X executives would have to reconsider their prices because no one was purchasing any fuel from them. Then, until such time they reduced their prices, they would slowly go broke. Once brand X reduced it's prices to attract customers back we would all then use brand X therefore forcing brands Y and Z to also reduce their prices to be competative".

Who knows. It would take some co-ordinating and promoting on a national basis. Any volunteers?

Hi There Travellers,
Hope I have done this right, sorry if I have not, I am new to your forum.

This boycotting of BP Australia is already happening, boycotting BP NZ too.

Apparently, BP is the biggest up driver company. The talk is of course that if we boycott BP for long enough, they will be forced to lower their prices, in the attempt to get customers back. By lowering their prices, other gas stations will follow suit to stay in business.

I would like to add, that we do not wish to hurt independanty owned BP's. Therefor there is no need to boycott some BP's.

Generally BP owned sites are called 'Connect', or 'Express', independents are called BP-2Go or BP-Shop. Have a look at the glaringly obvious signage on the building or the towers outside the station. They will tell you.

I for one stopped buying from BP a few weeks ago, as did my husband who spends over $500 a month on fuel just to get to & from work.
Blue Mt to Wetherill Park.

Can it really work? Who knows, guess we will never know until we try. Trying sure beats sitting around just b*tching about it all.

Anyway, I still believe it is worth a try, i'm happy to boycott BP Aus for as long as it takes, unless someone can prove to me it will make no difference.


Have a great day travellers!

[Logzy]

Hi There Travellers,
Hope I have done this right, sorry if I have not, I am new to your forum.

This boycotting of BP Australia is already happening, boycotting BP NZ too.

Apparently, BP is the biggest up driver company. The talk is of course that if we boycott BP for long enough, they will be forced to lower their prices, in the attempt to get customers back. By lowering their prices, other gas stations will follow suit to stay in business.

I would like to add, that we do not wish to hurt independanty owned BP's. Therefor there is no need to boycott some BP's.

Generally BP owned sites are called 'Connect', or 'Express', independents are called BP-2Go or BP-Shop. Have a look at the glaringly obvious signage on the building or the towers outside the station. They will tell you.

I for one stopped buying from BP a few weeks ago, as did my husband who spends over $500 a month on fuel just to get to & from work.
Blue Mt to Wetherill Park.

Can it really work? Who knows, guess we will never know until we try. Trying sure beats sitting around just b*tching about it all.

Anyway, I still believe it is worth a try, i'm happy to boycott BP Aus for as long as it takes, unless someone can prove to me it will make no difference.


Have a great day travellers!

Sorry but as good as it sounds I wont be boycotting BP as they are the only ones that have the 10ppm Diesel.
Good luck in your quest though, maybe in 10 years you will be able to buy BP fuel again if all goes to plan.

[cetane]

A quality dilema?

G'day and welcome to our forum, Subi Gal!

I reckon that there'll be a few diesel drivers who won't move away from BP Ultimate because of the perceived quality benefit. (I'm not one of them

Going elsewhere to buy your fuel is fine as long as everybody does it and it would mean a LOT of people would have to do it before BP would feel an impact on their profits. I agree wholeheartedly with you when it comes to supporting the independents. Poor b*s*rds are being squeezed out by corporate predators and the duopoly of the big two supermarkets are the worst.

IMHO the only way to reduce the price disparity between diesel and unleaded is to increase refining capacity. If the demand for diesel is rising as fast as it is, then the oil companies must produce more of it. It doesn't really matter either way to them as the profit would be the same, it's the speculators that are cashing in on demand being greater than supply.

Trouble is that the oil companies are reluctant to spend on refining infrastructure as they know that oil supply has peaked..... so why invest money in processing plant for something that's going to run out before the life expectancy of the hardware?