2 stroke oil (2SO) as an additive to diesel fuel

[Transporter]

Proven at the least by your own personal observations. Since you never run 2 stroke oil, you can't say definitively what it can and can't do.

You're right, what would I know about the diesels.

[CardinalSin]

You're right, what would I know about the diesels.

It's not what you know about diesels, it's what you know about using 2SO in diesels to make you speculate in such a negative way.

[Transporter]

It's not what you know about diesels, it's what you know about using 2SO in diesels to make you speculate in such a negative way.

Negative way?
Not even Penrite, who makes the 2SO recommends using the 2SO in today's diesels. I bet you can say the same, what they know about it? To me they know enough. The 2SO is not a diesel fuel additive, in the case of the engine failure it would be looked at as a contamination.

I guess people experiment a bit with a cheap cars, I bet they wouldn't use the 2SO as an additive in the brand new diesel car that cost close to $100,000 or more..

[CardinalSin]

Negative way?
Not even Penrite, who makes the 2SO recommends using the 2SO in today's diesels. I bet you can say the same, what they know about it? To me they know enough. The 2SO is not a diesel fuel additive, in the case of the engine failure it would be looked at as a contamination.

I guess people experiment a bit with a cheap cars, I bet they wouldn't use the 2SO as an additive in the brand new diesel car that cost close to $100,000 or more..

Yes 'negative way' with no positive comments.
VW do not support the use of any after market products, including Penrite diesel additives. That doesn't make them a bad product but if VW find they caused any problems then warranty will be denied.
Much the same as altering the engine and gearbox management to increase power and torque limits. Clearly there is a trade off with higher loads reducing component life and increasing the risk of component failure which will also void warranty claims.
Although I could be tempted to take that trade, it would certainly put me off buying a vehicle knowing the loads had been increased well above VW specs.
However, a mild tune with EGR and DPF mods for economy and a trouble free future could be seen as a bonus. As could the use of 2SO for much the same reasons.

I hope you regret your last comment as a mod in a forum where most members own those cars you refer to as 'cheap'.
If you don't you should.

[Ryeman]

A lot of 'band width' going to waste me-thinks.

[brad]

A lot of 'band width' going to waste me-thinks.

If you removed every off-topic, irrellevant, stupid, incorrect or doubled-up post on this forum (most forums) then there'd be nothing left.

[Ryeman]

I think kaanage knows what I'm on about.


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[Transporter]

Yes 'negative way' with no positive comments.
VW do not support the use of any after market products, including Penrite diesel additives. That doesn't make them a bad product but if VW find they caused any problems then warranty will be denied.
Much the same as altering the engine and gearbox management to increase power and torque limits. Clearly there is a trade off with higher loads reducing component life and increasing the risk of component failure which will also void warranty claims.
Although I could be tempted to take that trade, it would certainly put me off buying a vehicle knowing the loads had been increased well above VW specs.
However, a mild tune with EGR and DPF mods for economy and a trouble free future could be seen as a bonus. As could the use of 2SO for much the same reasons.

I hope you regret your last comment as a mod in a forum where most members own those cars you refer to as 'cheap'.
If you don't you should.

What negative comments? These are hard facts either you like it or not. There are many people who come here for an advice. I just try to make it clear that the 2SO is not a diesel fuel additive. It's your choice if you use it.
If you use a purpose made diesel fuel additive in your diesel and VW refuses your warranty (I doubt that), then you can at least go to that product manufacturer and if they're at fault they will pay for the repairs. But, if you've used the 2SO, you're on your own, do you realised that?

As for my comment "a cheap car" - I stand behind it, if you bought your car as secondhand, then you're more likely to take the risk and experiment a bit with the 2SO or something else. Though when your car breaks down, the cost of repairing it could be just as big as for a brand new one. I guess some people don't think about it that way.
...and definitely no regrets, anyone can buy for what ever purpose a cheap car as a second car or even their first car.

[gldgti]

Don't you guys have some work to do? Its not the weekend just yet!

[kaanage]

Sorry Aydan but...

You're right, what would I know about the diesels.

It's not what you know about diesels, it's what you know about using 2SO in diesels to make you speculate in such a negative way.

Exactly. You haven't tried it and found all these negative effects that you speculate about nor disproven the positive effects that others have experienced first hand so your comments are SPECULATION which gldgti asked quite specifically for people to avoid.

What negative comments? ]

The following is quite clearly a negative statement

If your diesel engine seats for 2/3 weeks then you have to also think about the other tasks that proper diesel fuel additives do. Like fighting the bacteria, dispersing water from the fuel system making it safe to pass for the delicate surfaces in the modern diesel fuel systems and much more.

None of this is possible with the 2SO.

These are hard facts either you like it or not. There are many people who come here for an advice. I just try to make it clear that the 2SO is not a diesel fuel additive. It's your choice if you use it.

No, you go beyond that and make statements that 2 stroke oil cannot have any beneficial effects when added to diesel speculate about damage which has never been recorded in any other threads on various sites that Cardinal Sin, myself and others here have traversed before we each made our personal decision to try 2 stroke oil as a diesel additive and in each of our cases, have found positive effects with no damage or other downsides.

If you don't try it because "you know" it won't work and will cause damage, then your comments remain as speculation, not "hard facts"

The single "hard fact" that you have presented is that "2SO is not a diesel fuel additive" and even that statement should be qualified as "2SO is not a specifically developed diesel fuel additive"

A lot of 'band width' going to waste me-thinks.

I think kaanage knows what I'm on about.

Yes I do and your contribution here is even less useful than on the diesel thread where the Skoda is having fuel consumption problems due to a fault.

[CardinalSin]

Don't you guys have some work to do? Its not the weekend just yet!

I'm retired but i'm looking for some volunteer work so it should be quiet again soon.

[gldgti]

Sorry guys, I think I have a pretty high tolerance but I'm really going to have to insist on some self moderating in here, or else I will close this and the other 2SO threads. I don't want to, but I DO want y'all to play nice, please.

[CardinalSin]

I mentioned using 2SO to a neighbour who has a Landcruiser single cab with the 4.2 6 cylinder diesel. It's clocked close to 300,000km and this morning he told me he has finally got around to trying it.
His observations are that it's a bit quieter but the main difference is that it's smoother. He's only been adding 200ml with his usual 60L fill up so that's 1:300 instead of 1:200. Hopefully he will up that to 300ml and after a few tanks see some extra improvement as it cleans the system out.
He said he will keep using it so yet another happy convert.

[kaanage]

It will be interesting to see if it starts smoking for a bit when he ups the concentration, as the injectors clean up.
But it's interesting to hear that even at the lower concentration, he is till experiencing a noticeable improvement.

[CardinalSin]

He was hard to convince it was worth a go and not the sort to embellish results. It's strange that a smoother engine is an instant result when you would think that would come later, after the crap has been cleared out? It might be the effect on combustion?

Another neighbour has a Peugeot about 2006 with a 2L diesel. He tried it straight away and stopped me to rave about the results soon after. He couldn't believe how quiet it was and swore he will always use it just for that. I'll ask him next time I see him, about fuel consumption. He's retired so that should be a priorty, the other guy never checks.

The difference between these vehicles is the Peugeot engine is a common rail turbo which suggests the big loss of noise is likely to be from the common rail injection system as the 2SO lubricates it. Maybe the old school diesel injectors were also freed up and syncronised to help make it smoother in the Landcruiser?

Another 2 positive results.