Big news for GT TDI owners!

[orsegtsport]

I just received an email from Superchips announcing that they have just released a Bluefin ecu programmer for the GT TDI. For those who don't know, the advantage of Bluefin is that the ecu tune can be removed at any time, and the car returned to the stock ecu calibration, which is a big advantage at servicing time, or for warranty claims.

The Bluefin increases power by 27 bhp and 77Nm, but these figures are obviously for the manual version. I'm going to send an email and ask if they have a tune for the DSG version with less torque.

[Jaymz]

I just received an email from Superchips announcing that they have just released a Bluefin ecu programmer for the GT TDI. For those who don't know, the advantage of Bluefin is that the ecu tune can be removed at any time, and the car returned to the stock ecu calibration, which is a big advantage at servicing time, or for warranty claims.

The Bluefin increases power by 27 bhp and 77Nm, but these figures are obviously for the manual version. I'm going to send an email and ask if they have a tune for the DSG version with less torque.

Thats great. They said they we're working on it when i did mine. Very good stuff.
Superchips actually have several different maps for our cars. Tell them exactly what you want i.e max power, max torque, best fuel economy and so on.
Click here and put car details in
Cheers,
Jamie

[Logzy]

I just received an email from Superchips announcing that they have just released a Bluefin ecu programmer for the GT TDI. For those who don't know, the advantage of Bluefin is that the ecu tune can be removed at any time, and the car returned to the stock ecu calibration, which is a big advantage at servicing time, or for warranty claims.

The Bluefin increases power by 27 bhp and 77Nm, but these figures are obviously for the manual version. I'm going to send an email and ask if they have a tune for the DSG version with less torque.

I emailed them 3 days ago asking this exact question and asking to see a graph on the torque curve.
I would expect that it will be alot flatter as the tourque has to be limited to around 380NM with the DSG.
With some good programming, if they can achieve a peak of 420nm on a manual then they should be able to achieve 380nm on alot wider rev range with the dsg.
I am awaiting their reply.

[dumbmonkey]

I have had a few emails back and forth with the Audvolks guys in Clayton regarding a revo ECU tune, here are a few snippets:

"I am assuming that your Golf GT TDI is the 2.0L Diesel with 125Kw and
350Nm?

If so below are some information for this car.

Revo ECU program for the TDI is $1499 inc GST.

The gains you are looking at after the chip is approx. 176Kw and 392Nm.

This program also has the ability of being switched from performance
program back to stock program with the Select Switching device.

For the diesel engines we are not able to offer a trial program,
however, we do have a 30 day satisfaction gaurantee.

If for what ever reason you are not happy with the program, we will
refund the full price of the program and restore your car back to standard."


And regarding DSG:

"As always we direct all user concerns regarding the REVO product to the experts at Head Office if we are unable to answer the question ourselves.

You are not the 1st person to ask the question about DSG and different program for DSG cars.

I have cut and paste the response from REVO Head Office when I first starting dealing with DSG gearbox cars.

Email from REVO START ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Raymond,

We get asked similar questions a fair amount. Interestingly enough I was out in a 3.2 turbo DSG TT last week, that was running well over 400bhp and 400ftlb on the standard DSG transmission. There’s an awful amount of propaganda out there, but we’ve never had issues with DSG. They do tend to make slightly less power though due to increased loses, but no issues or requirements for specific DSG maps. I know certain companies claim to have separate maps for manual vs dsg but you normally find they don’t, or when they do it’s because their tuning isn’t particularly ‘polished’ and suited to both transmission types!

Best Regards

Kev Hall

Revo Developments Limited
Email from REVO END -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Locally in Australia, I have personally flashed quite a number of DSG cars ranging from Petrol Golf GTI, Petrol A3, Diesel Golf, Petrol Jetta all with DSG gearboxes.

So far all customers have been fine with their car and have not reported any issues, infact one of the 1st DSG car to get flashed is almost coming up to 2 years.

I hope this helps you make your decision. No matter what you choose, make sure you are happy with your choice."

So it seems that a flatter torque is achievable, though their power figure sounds too good to be true 176Kw is about 240hp right?

Their web site just lumps the GT in with the standard TDI and shows some below average figures, guessing this might be the older GT?

[Logzy]

Personally i would like to go with the Bluefin.
The only reason being is that you can reflash your original tune back to the ecu and it does not show up on the ecu as a flash or flash attempt which the ecu can log.

[dumbmonkey]

Personally i would like to go with the Bluefin.
The only reason being is that you can reflash your original tune back to the ecu and it does not show up on the ecu as a flash or flash attempt which the ecu can log.

The REVO software also works with a device to switch the software back to stock, whether or not this appears in the flash log I dont know.

Also I beleive the switching device from REVO cost an extra $300-$400, making it a fairly expensive option.

[gregozedobe]

The REVO software also works with a device to switch the software back to stock, whether or not this appears in the flash log I dont know.

AFAIK Bluefin is the only one that reprograms your ECU back to an exact "stock" setting, I believe all the others (including the free test trials options) revert to the chip programmers approximation of stock (ie it is different to VW stock). Bluefin actually records your stock VW program as it was before the flash, so that is how it can revert back to exactly how it was before it was remapped.

But if you are that worried about a dealer finding out your ECU has been flashed, maybe you should just play it safe and stay stock (or buy an Audi S3 )

[orsegtsport]

[I]"I am assuming that your Golf GT TDI is the 2.0L Diesel with 125Kw and
350Nm?

If so below are some information for this car.

Revo ECU program for the TDI is $1499 inc GST.

The gains you are looking at after the chip is approx. 176Kw and 392Nm.

176 kw?

No way! Clearly they've made a mistake here. Almost every tuning company out there gets the the GT TDI to 143 kw, and there seems to be very little variation. What makes me more convinced that it's an error is the fact that they are claiming unbelievable power figures, but very poor torque gains. Those figures sounds like the numbers for a flashed Gti to me.

Also, I've had a reply regarding the DSG, and I've been assured that this map is suitable for the DSG, and that Superchips ensure that all their products are produced to operate well within tolerance levels. Hmmm more research required me thinks......

That's great new if it's true, as it means I can have 430Nm like the manual boys!

[Logzy]

AFAIK Bluefin is the only one that reprograms your ECU back to an exact "stock" setting, I believe all the others (including the free test trials options) revert to the chip programmers approximation of stock (ie it is different to VW stock). Bluefin actually records your stock VW program as it was before the flash, so that is how it can revert back to exactly how it was before it was remapped

Exactly, this is why i will only go with bluefin whilst under warranty.
Just to be safe.
After warranty though there may be the deletion of the DPF and a completley different exhaust.
Go go gadget smoke screen.

[Greg Roles]

schweeeeet!

[dumbmonkey]

176 kw?

No way! Clearly they've made a mistake here. Almost every tuning company out there gets the the GT TDI to 143 kw, and there seems to be very little variation. What makes me more convinced that it's an error is the fact that they are claiming unbelievable power figures, but very poor torque gains. Those figures sounds like the numbers for a flashed Gti to me.

Also, I've had a reply regarding the DSG, and I've been assured that this map is suitable for the DSG, and that Superchips ensure that all their products are produced to operate well within tolerance levels. Hmmm more research required me thinks......

That's great new if it's true, as it means I can have 430Nm like the manual boys!

Im going to ask for a confirmation because it sounds ridiculous, might be model confusion or a typo, nfi, but will post the response I get.

[Jaymz]

Revo ECU program for the TDI is $1499 inc GST.

The gains you are looking at after the chip is approx. 176Kw and 392Nm.

I have done a fair share of inquiry on tdiclub and most guys confirm that the standard turbo & injectors on the GT will in fact support 240HP.

However, this is not possible with the DPF in place due to its restriction.

I also think that they have mistaken GTI figures.

[orsegtsport]

I don't think that they are the Gti figures now. I've had a look at the numbers for the Gti, and while the power seems about right, the Gti seems to 'chip' to only about 340Nm. It will be interesting to find out where they got those numbers from.

I'll have to contact them to confirm postage costs, but given the current exchange rate, and the fact that you wouldn't be paying the 17.5% VAT, I reckon you could get the Bluefin for just over $1000 landed, making it the cheapest and imo, the most practical tuning solution available for our cars. If it is just over $1000, then we'd need to politely request that they fudge the figures a little (invoice us for less than a grand) to keep Australian Customs off our case.

[Mister_duck]

You may get 176kw with the revo for the GT Tdi,
I've got the revo on my 2.0 litre 103kw Tdi, with the reflash on my car, I got roughly 30kw more, so I would guess that it would be the same for the newer engines, I'm more likey to be wrong then right though. If the gains are correct though, expect the increase to be roughly 155-160kw.
On my car now at the wheel, I have 120kw and 368nm.

Also Giac are developing a reflash for the Tdi as well now

[Mischa]

ok ok ok ok ok someone has to confirm this 176kw figure!!

ducky is right though, on the 103 tdi, revo gives about 140kw whereas all other companies give 125kw. so theres a slim possibility that its correct... and if it is correct im gonna go mega-flaming anyone with a gti bahahahaha