It's a US 2007 article (Chevron) but the fundamentals still apply over here
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Interesting article about diesel (the fuel)
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Major difference is that US fuel is horrible generally compared to ours. Low lubricity and low cetane diesels. Also low octane petrols. Their best "high performance" fuel is 95RON.
Anyone interested in how bad the fuel is can read all about the HPFP failures in USA and NHTSA investigation ongoing.
We are lucky to have a better quality of fuel here.2015 Polo Comfortline 6M + Driving Comfort Package
2011/11 Yeti 103 TDI 6M + Columbus media centre/satnav
(2008 MY09 Polo 9N3 TDI retired hurt hail damage)
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Originally posted by bluey View PostTheir best "high performance" fuel is 95RON.
I know their RON91 equivalent is RON87...2012 Octavia vRS TDI. Darkside big turbo, 3bar tune, other stuff. 200kW/650Nm.
1990 Mk1 Cabrio. 1.9 IDI w/ 18PSI.
1985 Mazda T3500 adventuremobile. 1973 Superbug. 1972 Volvo 144 in poo-brown.
Not including hers...
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In the US, gasoline pumps must be labelled by the fuel's anti-knock index (AKI), which is calculated using the average of the RON and MON, i.e. ( RON + MON ) / 2 = AKI.
The three most common grades of gasoline in the US are:
- Regular unleaded: AKI 87 (91 RON)
- Midgrade unleaded: AKI 89 (93 RON)
- Premium unleaded: AKI 91 (95 RON)
Premium unleaded with a AKI of 93 (98 RON) is widely available in many states, but very rare on the west coast.
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Originally posted by bluey View PostMajor difference is that US fuel is horrible generally compared to ours. Low lubricity and low cetane diesels. Also low octane petrols. Their best "high performance" fuel is 95RON.Resident grumpy old fart
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Originally posted by Diesel_vert View PostIn the US, gasoline pumps must be labelled by the fuel's anti-knock index (AKI), which is calculated using the average of the RON and MON, i.e. ( RON + MON ) / 2 = AKI.Resident grumpy old fart
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Originally posted by kaanage View PostWithin the context of that linked document, those differences are very minor and the diesel one is mainly to do with lower additive packages added post distillation in the US (ie the same as BP Ultimate vs 'normal' diesel down here, allegedly).
Although it's a rather understated point in the document, major diesel fuel injection equipment (FIE) manufacturers have repeatedly expressed concern that:
It is expected that the useful operating lifetime of any mechanical component
will be adversely affected by fuel with a lubricity exceeding 460 microns.
- FIE Common Position Statement, dated 2004, 2009 & 2012
That's not to say all diesel fuel in the US will produce a wear scar larger than 460 microns, but there's no guarantee or requirement that it won't. It seems to me that it's an onerous and heavy burden on the consumer if one wants to ensure every fill up is with good fuel (as observed by posts made on the TDIClub forums).
Having said that, a splash of biodiesel does wonders for lubricity when added to diesel, even just at 2%.
Low cetane in diesel fuel affects driveability and emissions in different ways, but the issue of lubricity and equipment reliability is/was the big talking point.
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Originally posted by Diesel_vert View PostWhile it is normal for refiners to add fuel additives into their products, the problem is the fuel standard for diesel in the US allows for a higher wear scar of 520 microns in the HFRR lubricity test, as opposed to the more stringent limit of 460 microns for European and Australian fuel standards.
The point is that the article does not greatly differ in how the crude oil ends up being refined for our dieselsResident grumpy old fart
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Originally posted by kaanage View PostThe point is that the article does not greatly differ in how the crude oil ends up being refined for our diesels
I'd probably go as far as saying the refining process for petroleum diesel and the various complexities would be broadly similar across the developed world, but it's a very informative document nonetheless.
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Originally posted by Diesel_vert View PostI'd probably go as far as saying the refining process for petroleum diesel and the various complexities would be broadly similar across the developed world, but it's a very informative document nonetheless.Resident grumpy old fart
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