help wrong oil in TDI

[Martin]

What would you & I know? We have the superior petrol fuel ;-p

Exactly! LOL

I love diesel for applications needing huge torque (industrial) or for frequent/long driving (new little turbo diesels with DSG can get down to 4.5L per 100km!!) but when it comes to enjoyable motoring, give me petrol baby!

[Guest001]

Extended service is actually a variable interval (QG0 & QG2 IIRC) between 15k-29k & 12-24 months.

Our 15k intervals are the std fixed interval (QG1) & 7.5k is "severe service"


DPF I think. Isn't 507.00 mandatory for DPF no matter what the interval? What would you & I know? We have the superior petrol fuel ;-p

Well I have both a Diesel and a petrol and the service intervals are 15,000k or 12 months FOR BOTH

and 504-507 apparently is advised for EVERYTHING after 2008 You can use a higher grade oil than recommended in most engines but

dont get caught using wrong grade if engine has problems as dealers have been known to do an oil test on failed ones to see if that contributed to problem
Hence why I changed mine

[Diesel_vert]

Time and Distance regime:

• Fixed 15 000 km or 12 month interval.
• 502.00/505.00 compulsory.
• 505.01 compulsory for PD TDI, CR TDI and some petrol engines.
• 506.01 compulsory for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines.
• 504.00/507.00 optional.

LongLife regime:

• Variable 15 000 - 30 000 km or 12 - 24 month intervals, as determined by the vehicle.
• 506.01 compulsory for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines.
• 504.00/507.00 compulsory.

Australian delivered vehicles are switched to the Time and Distance service regime, irrespective of what's stated on the vehicle data sticker.



Lubricant notes:

• 502.00/505.00 is available in a variety of viscosity grades; 10W-40, 5W-40, 0W-40, 5W-30, 0W-30.
• 504.00/507.00 is, to date, only available with a viscosity grade of 5W-30.
• TDI engines with a diesel particulate filter (DPF) must use 504.00/507.00, irrespective of service regime.*

*Except for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines, which must use 506.01 depending on the build date.

[Mysticality]

but when it comes to enjoyable motoring, give me petrol baby!

Just you wait until I get my stage 2... Bring it!!

[Guest001]

Time and Distance regime:

• Fixed 15 000 km or 12 month interval.
• 502.00/505.00 compulsory.
• 505.01 compulsory for PD TDI, CR TDI and some petrol engines.
• 506.01 compulsory for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines.
• 504.00/507.00 optional.

LongLife regime:

• Variable 15 000 - 30 000 km or 12 - 24 month intervals, as determined by the vehicle.
• 506.01 compulsory for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines.
• 504.00/507.00 compulsory.

Australian delivered vehicles are switched to the Time and Distance service regime, irrespective of what's stated on the vehicle data sticker.



Lubricant notes:

• 502.00/505.00 is available in a variety of viscosity grades; 10W-40, 5W-40, 0W-40, 5W-30, 0W-30.
• 504.00/507.00 is, to date, only available with a viscosity grade of 5W-30.
• TDI engines with a diesel particulate filter (DPF) must use 504.00/507.00, irrespective of service regime.*

*Except for some R5 TDI and V10 TDI engines, which must use 506.01 depending on the build date.

All I can say is that when I bought the Polo in 2010 I asked what oil it used and was given a Castrol brochure and told to use the longlife Professional 504-507 5w-30 and NOTHING ELSE except those specs.

When I bought the Passat I asked and was told the same for it. I now use Penrite Enviro + 5w-30 which is a VW approved oil

They are both running on that and will continue to do so. If thats what the dealer wants its good enough for me

[brad]

All I can say is that when I bought the Polo in 2010 I asked what oil it used and was given a Castrol brochure and told to use the longlife Professional 504-507 5w-30 and NOTHING ELSE except those specs.

When I bought the Passat I asked and was told the same for it. I now use Penrite Enviro + 5w-30 which is a VW approved oil

They are both running on that and will continue to do so. If thats what the dealer wants its good enough for me

That's very much a motherhood statement you have made. Dealers say lots of things that aren't accurate & don't conform with the VW tech spec.

Diesel Vert has it nailed. I thank him because I couldn't be bothered writing all that stuff over-&-over correcting peoples misconceptions. It's all written in the owners manual.

About the only thing I can see missing is that 507.00 is compulsory for DPF equipped vehicles.

The reason dealers state 504.00/507.00 is because a reduce lubricant choice in the workshop reduces the possibility of user error & it reduces inventory as well (and a lot of them aren't aware of the lubricant options). In the UK, 502.00 (where applicable) is the standard, not the exception.

[Umai Naa!!]

504/507 covers pretty much all bases, bar the 506.01-spec'd Transporters and Touaregs. It's been spec'd for the Australian market since around 2005.

If you want to stray away from it, be 100% certain you've chosen the correct specification for your engine.

[Guest001]

As I understand it the stated oils are a minimum spec and you cant do any harm using the correct higher grade oil as Umai Naa says

The Polo manual actually states 504 for Longlife and 502 without longlife

The Passat needs 507 for the DPF Much easier just to stick with the good stuff for safety and just needing one bottle for top up.

With the fragility of VW motors I prefer to go by what the dealer says as I dont want to have to argue from a bad position if the proverbial hits the fan.
My original trouble was that it was only a 502 oil and was NOT an approved one.

[Martin]

Just you wait until I get my stage 2... Bring it!!

That would be an interesting back to back comparison!

[Umai Naa!!]

As I understand it the stated oils are a minimum spec and you cant do any harm using the correct higher grade oil as Umai Naa says

The Polo manual actually states 504 for Longlife and 502 without longlife

The Passat needs 507 for the DPF Much easier just to stick with the good stuff for safety and just needing one bottle for top up.

With the fragility of VW motors I prefer to go by what the dealer says as I dont want to have to argue from a bad position if the proverbial hits the fan.
My original trouble was that it was only a 502 oil and was NOT an approved one.

From a warranty stand-point, everybody needs to cover themselves. Not just Volkswagen Australia and the dealerships, but the independant guys, and the owner of the car, too.

I suspect that from Volkswagen Australia's viewpoint, it would be "This is what we've spec'd the car with, and not using it MAY have implications down the track, if found to be the cause of a failure".

They're warranting your engine on the basis that you're using the oil that is correct for your car in this country. As I said earlier, I would be treading very carefully if straying away from what Volkswagen Australia is stipulating as the correct grade of oil for this market.

[Guest001]

As I said earlier, I would be treading very carefully if straying away from what Volkswagen Australia is stipulating as the correct grade of oil for this market.

In what way do you mean I am using a different brand of oil but it is listed as an "Äpproved oil" on the ERWIN list of oil and also has the correct VW approval stamp on the pack.

What was put in mine was not only not approved but was a 10w 40 instead of 5w 30 and of a lower rating

[Umai Naa!!]

I was more-or-less referring to those who are considering moving away from 504/507. Don't take it as me singling you out

If it's on the approved list, by all means use it if that's what you prefer.

[Guest001]

I was more-or-less referring to those who are considering moving away from 504/507. Don't take it as me singling you out

If it's on the approved list, by all means use it if that's what you prefer.

Thats Ok wasnt taking it as you were as I am super careful with the cars.

[ian]

Here is the Label off the 5ltre container ,as you can see its approved for VW vehicle

[Guest001]

Here is the Label off the 5ltre container ,as you can see its approved for VW vehicle

AH now the truth comes out

In your message you said you bought Shell Helix ULTRA ( they have Shell helix ultra for $70 at repco which I bought to day,)

NOT what you show above which is ULTRA EXTRA which yes indeed is correct. Makes a difference when the right thing is written.

Two totally different oils