Running In procedure 103tdi

[Ozsko]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

[bluey]

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f28/running-diesel-engine-12575.html

The real article is a link away from that forum thread.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f69/running-new-diesel-1236.html

Specifically, does "warm" mean warm water temperature or warm oil temperature. Not having had an oil temp gauge before, I see it takes a lot longer for oil temp to come up than water temp.

[Buller_Scott]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

mate i appreciate where you're coming from, but this doesnt have to become personal at all... i think you've got something to contribute so please dont shoot yourself in the foot by letting things get insulting etc...

unfortunately, at the end of the day, we in the aussie VW tdi scene, as a whole, will not really come as close to perfection as the tdiclub boys, with their testing different oils and different oil change intervals under different driving conditions and getting used oil analysis multiple times to ascertain what the best combination of oil+interval+driving style+load may be for their car.

here, it's more a case of word-of-mouth, conferring with acquaintances, and deciding where to go from there.

for what it's worth, and once again i dont have the link, but i spent quite a while reading up on it on tdiclub about 40,000km's ago - and i read enough data etc to convince me personally that longer oil change intervals will be better for reducing engine and cam lobe wear. from now on, it will be 20,000km oil change intervals minimum - next one i do will probably be after the 30,000km mark.

i use VERY little oil, by the way - i maybe have to top up half a litre to 1 litre between each oil change, at most.

[bluey]

According to VW, following the run-in methods outlined in the owner's manual is the go.

Furthermore, they also recommend NOT changing the oil within the first 15,000klms. Top it up with 504/507 sure, but don't replace it.

I thought diesels have a special running in oil, than permits a little more wear than a full synthetic 507 oil. So yes, don't change the oil in a diesel until 15,000km.

Availability of 507 synthetic oils is limited. The special Castrol one provided by VW dealers is not available retail last I looked. Shell Helix Ultra has one 507 oil.

[Transporter]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

I bow before your superior knowledge and abilities to judge people over the internet.

[Umai Naa!!]

I thought diesels have a special running in oil, than permits a little more wear than a full synthetic 507 oil. So yes, don't change the oil in a diesel until 15,000km.

Availability of 507 synthetic oils is limited. The special Castrol one provided by VW dealers is not available retail last I looked. Shell Helix Ultra has one 507 oil.

You can buy the Castrol or VW-branded Castrol oil through your dealership. Failing that, the likes of Supercheap sell Shel Helix Ultra Extra (5W30 504/507), and Penrite Enviro+ (5W30 504/507). They all seem to be around the same price, at roughly $20 for 1L, or around $90 for 5L.

[bluey]

They all seem to be around the same price, at roughly $20 for 1L, or around $90 for 5L.

Got Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5L at Supercheap's 20% Easter Sat sale for $59.99.

[Umai Naa!!]

Gah! I should've stocked up!

[Diesel_vert]

Hi
Am about to get a Scout but would like to know if there is a Diesel Specific Running in Procedure.
A mate of mine had a Land Rover defender and he was told to drive it like he hated it to run it in.. This leads me to conclude that being too gentle during running in may glaze bores or lead to a lazy engine?
Thanks
Nick

When you eventually take possession of your car, read the owner's manual, read Motoman's guide, and then keep a nice balance between the two. IMO, you don't need to follow either guide to the letter, and certainly don't treat it as gospel.

I'm also of the opinion that just driving it normally will be completely fine. Avoid babying or labouring it excessively, and certainly don't hesitate to use the throttle and give it some revs when the mood takes you, but don't rev the nuts off it just for the sake of it.

I know it's a new car and all, but don't get too precious - they make thousands upon thousands of TDI units (even if they do get the odd one wrong).

I plan to do my 1st service at about 2k then 7 then 12 then 15k.

IMO, absolutely pointless.

Either change the oil + filter every 7 500 km/6 months (whichever of two you reach first) or 15 000 km/12 months (whichever of the two you reach first).

Despite the shoddy workmanship of VAG cars (Transporter's comments are quite valid in this respect), the suitability of the current oil change interval (OCI) has been more or less been confirmed by the TDIClub Forum in America, who (as Buller_Scott already alluded to) have a more comprehensive knowledge on all matters related to diesels.

That said, nothing is preventing you from doing otherwise - it's your car after all.

I wont be telling the dealer as ridiculously some on the forum say it might void warranty... well I'll be!!!

You won't void the warranty.

Futrhter to my post re the running in/oil change intervals my next question is
What oils are some of you using in the 103tdi with DPF?
Brands I have used in other cars are Shell helix ultra/Mobil 1
so which full on synthetic can anyone recommend?

You can use any oil as long as it's on VW's approved oil list. The relevant standard is VW 504/507. All are synthetic (Group III or higher) and SAE grade 5W-30. I've complied a list here for everyone's convenience.

Where can I get genuine oil filters.. if changing oil invalidates warranty then i need a melbourne dealer

You can purchase them from any Audi, Skoda or VW dealer. Refer to the internet for locations.

On that note, use only OEM or genuine filters.

Thanks Guys. It scares me to think that new oil causes wear.. I am not challenging the member who wrote it but I just Cant figure how it can.. if anyone knows the science behind it, then please post.
Many thanks for all your advice.
Guess i will be "working the tdi more than anticipated"
Nick

IMO, you will not greatly damage the engine even if you have an OCD, but neither will there be any great payoff further down the track.

Do you seriously envision keeping the car for over 300 000 km? Sure, the internals of the engine might have another 200 000 km to go before needing a rebuild, but by that time all the other bits on the car would be in such a state that it would render the car an economic write-off.

According to Motoman one should change the oil real quick i think it was like a few hundred miles of first thrashing err loading it during run in.
So I might just do a quick oil change at say 250 miles?

Again, completely pointless IMO.