BP Ultimate Diesel for Perth People

[gareth_oau]

I think it's exactly the same diesel as the non-ultimate version so therefore shouldn't be any cleaner.

They just put an additive into it to boost the cetane rating a bit. It's just like the additve that brings petrol up to a higher octane rating.

Roobuls, yr not correct there. 98 is refined differently, takes longer through the refining process, its not just an additive

[greygolf8]

BP Summer Hill is usually good, around 164.

If you shop at woolies, they have a new rewards card that replaces the petrol docket & gives a 1st time only 10c/l off.

[Roobuls]

Roobuls, yr not correct there. 98 is refined differently, takes longer through the refining process, its not just an additive

I realise 98 is refined differently. What I meant was that there were once some after-market octane booster additives available.
I know that BP adds an additive to their diesel because I work as a Mech Eng Draftie and I drew up the new additive tank that was installed at the BP site to put additive into the diesel.
I don't work for BP any more but if you live in Perth I can give you dierections to where it's located and you can drive past and see the additive tank from the road.

[docjames]

The "additives" you refer to are detergents (for want of a better word), not octane booster. Unlike Optimax (now V-power) which is basically unleaded with an octane booster added. BP ultimate is refined to a 98octane, then detergents added. Vpower and mobil 8000 are ULP with octane boosters PLUS detergents added later.

Why would the other two do that? Because it's cheaper (to produce).

[Spoddy]

The "additives" you refer to are detergents (for want of a better word), not octane booster. Unlike Optimax (now V-power) which is basically unleaded with an octane booster added. BP ultimate is refined to a 98octane, then detergents added. Vpower and mobil 8000 are ULP with octane boosters PLUS detergents added later.

Why would the other two do that? Because it's cheaper (to produce).

Aren't we talking diesel here?

[Jaymz]

Optimax (now V-power) which is basically unleaded with an octane booster added. Vpower and mobil 8000 are ULP with octane boosters PLUS detergents added later.

That's speculation if i ever heard it. Have you got any evidence to support this theory?

Wasn't this topic about diesel, how'd we get on to petrol???

[neil]

I reckon everyone needs to send e-mails to the NRMA or equivalent each week as I am doing until they start lobbying for diesel and not just petrol

Prices are crazy in our vicinity... Cheapest in Sydney is at:
7 Eleven 515 Bunnerong Road Matraville 2036 151.90

BP corner Sunnyholt Road and
Forge Street 2148 Blacktown 17/05/08
1:12 PM 169.9

BP Great Western Hwy &
Werrington 2760 Werrington 17/05/08
2:07 PM 171.9

BP corner Coreen Ave &
Castlereagh Road 2750 Penrith 17/05/08
2:43 PM 175.9

BP Mulgoa Road 2750 Jamisontown 17/05/08
2:30 PM 175.9

BP Glossop & Kurrajong 2760 St Marys 17/05/08
2:02 PM 175.9

Where getting ripped off.

How can the independent BP servo's sell diesel 5 cents cheaper consistently
Than the BP owned stations.
For the last 12 months that I have changed to BP the BP Normanhurst has
always been 5 cents cheaper than the Thornleigh servo just down the road.
The Normanhurst servo is also constantly out of diesel by the weekend.

[neil]

[QUOTE=Spoddy;162003]I reckon everyone needs to send e-mails to the NRMA or equivalent each week as I am doing until they start lobbying for diesel and not just petrol

Spoddy checkout the latest NRMA magazine and the Torque section and
you will notice everyone complaining about Diesel prices. I think they now
realize its an issue but as you mention get stuck into them and make
them pressure the companies on diesel prices.
They have a petrol price checker on their site but nothing for diesel.

[OvaltoJetta]

Gas Explosion in WA

If you didnt know there was a massive explosion up in the NW of WA the other day and it has reduced the supply of natural gas to the domestic market by 30%. Household use along with customers like hospitals etc are being given priority, which means a lot of industry has brought forward maintenance schedules. But we learned today that the problem is worse than initially thought. It means industry will have to find alternative energy for the next 5 to 7 months until the gas plant is back online, so they can keep going ... and guess what? The best option for most of them is diesel. Ho Hum !!! Wait for a further hike in the price of diesel due to an increase in demand.

[gareth_oau]

Ive just spent the last three days negotiating emergency supply contracts to supply gas to apache's stranded customers.

The crowd I work for will be supplying about 1/3 of the 30% thats been lost

[bluey]

no thats not correct. lower sulfur is always going to be better economy and always better for the engine. sulfur doesnt help the combustion process and dirties up your engine.

Potential engine problems caused by low sulphur diesel and refining side-effects are well described by the industry body. Briefly:
1. seal and hose problems in old vehicles pre-1994
2. reduced lubricity which may affect injector/pump performance

http://www.aip.com.au/industry/diesel.htm

BP Ultimate Diesel presumably has been formulated to minimise these problems.

[gregozedobe]

Until we got low sulphur diesel we didn't get many of the more advanced technology diesels from europe. Now we have it (and IIRC going from 50 parts sulphur per million to 10 ppm in the near future) the newer engines are much happier (less degradation of the engine oil, better performance, better economy and lower pollution).

I never noticed any problems with the 50ppm formulation in my 1990 Landcruiser 4.2 diesel, and that motor had been around since the 1980s.

The only downside I see with 10ppm is that the refiners and retailers will use this change as an excuse to charge us even more for our fuel

[docjames]

That's speculation if i ever heard it. Have you got any evidence to support this theory?

Wasn't this topic about diesel, how'd we get on to petrol???

We were taking about Ulitmate(s).



I know (one of) the refinery planners for a major Australian refinery. You'll also be surprised to know that across 91ULP they often buy off each other depending on prevailing prices and the major companies have a best price of day when purchasing oil (rahter than just purchasing from their own company supply).

Hope that's explaination enough.

[Greg Roles]

Blah, Blah, Blah....

Are there more Nm to be had????

[Preen59]

Blah, Blah, Blah....

Are there more Nm to be had????

Hahaha nice. Well i suppose increased economy would have to mean a better burn, which should mean more grrrrrrunt.. Hopefully.