VW Diesel PD Piezo Injector. (also for non piezo injectors)

[Transporter]

Did anybody pay for repairs after the warranty, when the PD injector(s) failed in their car?

Do you know anybody who was out of pocket, when PD Piezo injector failed after the warranty?

[RobV]

Total cost was $450 for wiring plus labour, Injectors replaced by VW.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f28/all-pd-piezo-injector-failure-register-55060.html#post623884

[harlie]

2005, 106000km - 103kw. $1943.05 for 1 injector, harness ect ect.

[wfdTamar]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but looks like a recall for injectors in the UK.

Octavia 2004 | Skoda | Car Reviews | Honest John

From the bottom of the page:

Recalls
31-12-2011: Apparently, all VAG models with the 2.0TDI engine from around 2005 fitted with Siemens peizo injectors are subject to a recall which involves replacing all the injectors FOC. Job takes around 3 hours. A short circuit within the injectors causes the fuel system to shut down and engine cuts out.

28-1-2012: Manufacturer recall to replace Siemens Piezoelectric injectors of 2006 - 2009 2.0 TDI BMN engines. All the injectors from the the 2.0 TDI PD engines that use piezoelectric Siemens injectors and Siemens ECUs are affected by this problem. The most problems are on the Passat BKD 2.0 TDI 140HP. No problem from 2009 and the introduction of the common rail 2.0 TDI engine (CEGA).

[5pot]

So, in the UK, they're recalling all 2.0TDI cars?

I note the passat BKD motor has the biggest problem... which worries me because my golf has a BKD in it...

[Greg Roles]

Personally I think that's a typo, and it's the same BMN 170hp engine in the Passat that is failing the most from what I see. The 140 uses Bosch injectors, and whilst they can still fail, they do so a LOT less often, and it doesn't necessarily shut the engine down, just that cylinder. You can also buy all the parts from Bosch, as opposed to the closed door policy for spare parts at Siemens.

[vk]

Personally I think that's a typo, and it's the same BMN 170hp engine in the Passat that is failing the most from what I see. The 140 uses Bosch injectors, and whilst they can still fail, they do so a LOT less often, and it doesn't necessarily shut the engine down, just that cylinder. You can also buy all the parts from Bosch, as opposed to the closed door policy for spare parts at Siemens.

do you think my car is affected by this recall greg?

[Greg Roles]

No, because it is a UK/euro only thing at this stage, and only on certain VIN numbers. What they are is anyones guess, as per usual VW are keeping all details quiet. It may happen here eventually, but I'm not holding my breath....

[jazd]

My mate picked my car up from the dealership today, they had it for 3 1/2 days. Apparently all four injectors have been replaced, will have to check the paperwork and see what part numbers were used and whether the harness was replaced.

Sep 2007 MY2008 Golf GT TDI, 125kW PD170 BMN engine with Siemens piezo injectors.
Just under 120,000km.

Cost - $0.

Dealership - Central Coast Motor Group at Gosford.

[Greg Roles]

Do you have extended warranty / dealer history? Could this be a silent bulletin thing over here finally??

[jazd]

No extended warranty, ive serviced it myself since I bought it at 70000k and hadn't even filled on the logbook.
I'll scan the info they gave me and upload it tomorrow

Edit. Scan added.


Edit2.
There is a VW TPI for this - 2026885/5 (23 Nov 2011)
"Engine: does not start, engine warning light on, entries logged"
Applies to BMA, BKP, BVE, BWV, BMR, BUZ, BMN engines with "03G 130 073 D" or "03G 130 073 M" injectors

"Technical background
1. An incorrect pump-injector unit prevents the control of all pump injector units.
2. Incorrect diagnosis of the intact main relay because of an incorrect pump-injector unit.
3. Engine control unit does not work."

"The following entries can be logged in the engine control unit:
• P2146 injection valve(s) supply A, disruption
• P1040 injection valve(s) supply A, electric complaint in circuit
• P2147 injection valve(s) supply A, short circuit to earth

The following entries may also be logged:
• P1517 main relay -J271 electric complaint in circuit
• P1388 control unit incorrect
• P1570 engine control unit locked"

"To prevent a future contact resistance, replace also the wiring loom for the pump injector units in the cylinder head according to the repair manual/parts catalogue."

If after replacing the injectors the engine doesn't start then -
"If the production date of the engine control unit is before 01.04.2008, replace the engine control unit according to the repair manual/parts catalogue."

Replacement parts:
03G 130 073 SX - Pump-injector unit 88 kW - 103 kW
03G 130 073 TX - Pump-injector unit 88 120 kW -125 kW

[Greg Roles]

Best information in the flipping WORLD mate, well done, you are to be congratulated. You've finally confirmed that if your car meets the free replacement guidelines, you should be getting it done free of charge. Not sure when they finally made this official, and I guess if you have paid to date, you'd have grounds to be passing a letter to VWA seeking compensation based on this. You'd have to ensure your car meets the guidelines though, might have to take the rocker cover off and have a look at the injector details.

Again, great work, you need to put this on the Facebook page, and get the accolades.

[jazd]

I guess if you have paid to date, you'd have grounds to be passing a letter to VWA seeking compensation based on this.

Word. Get on this if you have been out of pocket for the problem!

Again, great work, you need to put this on the Facebook page, and get the accolades.

Nah you go for it mate, I'm not worries about accolades.

[benough]

Wa hey!

Nice work Jarred. I'm not surprised they have behaved in this way but it's good to see nonetheless.

[Greg Roles]

I have 03G 130 073M injectors ( can just read on the bottom right of pic ), so it seems sooner or later my TDI will probably conk out...but it will be interesting to see if my heavily modified TDI is still covered by the above....