New Eos - bluetooth options

[Optic]

Hi All,

I pick up my new Eos on Friday.

Black
Individual Package
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Alarm
Electric seats
Dyn Audio
Sat Nav

Can't wait

I am not sure what to do about the Bluetooth kit though. I have been told that the new kit is out (I assume this is the 9W3 that I have read about) and that it will be $2200 installed from the dealer.

Has anyone else had a 9W3 installed in their Eos by an Australian dealer? Do they really cost this much? Thinking of importing one from OS for ~$400 US and installing it myself.... not sure if I need VCDS to do it though.

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

I pretty much have the same as your but no xenon and dynaudio and 2 weeks older

I have booked in with Dean at Volkspower to get premium BT installed.

He is doing it for around the $1500 mark. A lot better than VW

I will let you know how it goes/.

[Optic]

Hi,

Thanks for the response - if it goes well for you I may do the same.

Do you know whether the "Premium Bluetooth" that VW offer in Australia is the 9W3 (1Z0 035 729 D) that people talk about in the forums?

I have asked my local dealer about the Premium Bluetooth and was told the part number was VGA051437 which turns up nothing on Google. I have also been told that the Premium Bluetooth only works with phones that support rSAP and that it specifically *wont* work with the iPhone 3G/S.

However - all over the world the talk in the forums is that the iPhone works fine with the 9W3 (and A2DP even works with the "D" model) yet the iPhone does not support rSAP.

This makes me very confused and I am starting to suspect that the Premium Bluetooth being sold by dealers in Australia is not the 9W3. I do not want to spend $1500-$2000 on the Premium Bluetooth from my dealer only to find that it is not even the 9W3 genuine OEM VW part. The 9W3 is a $275 US option in the USA!!!

I'm thinking of importing one ($350 US online) and installing it myself!

Cheers,
David

[sparta]

I'm in the same boat with my GTI Pirelli. The dealer told me exactly the same: two options: $700 or $2200 (premium), premium does not work with Iphone 3g.

Personally, I think $1500 to $2200 is quite steep for bluetooth functionality. I am also considering VW Accessory 000 051 433 C, which is essentially the Bury CC 9060. Great functionality, the only downside is that you have another device/screen in your car rather than using the RNS510 screen...

Have a look at page 17:

http://www.volkswagen-zubehoer.de/fi...h%20081208.pdf

[Swallowtail]

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_i...VW--Skoda.html Works with Eos or Golf.

About $750 landed, and as long as you are half handy, easy to install. Took me an hour. You'll need someone with VAGCOM to make it work with the MFD in the instruments, but even without that it fully integrates with the RNS510.

You can get them installed in Aus for about $850 - 900 all up. Search for Fiscon on the site here and you will find heaps of people who have done them.

Anyone in Brisbane is more than welcome to come and see mine (I can do the VAGCOM coding as well in Brisbane).

[Optic]

Hi,

Just an update on this - I spoke to Volkspower in Melbourne and asked exactly what they install for $1500. They said that it was the VW genuine 9W3 (1Z0 035 729 D) and that the iPhone works fine with it.

I still can't get my local dealer to give me the proper VW part number of the "Premium Bluetooth" that they sell although they claim it does NOT work with the iPhone.

So either the dealer installs something completely different (not the 9W3) or they are just mistaken about the iPhone. It could also just be that the iPhone works but isn't on the "officially supported" list and that translates to them telling me that the iPhone doesn't work.

Anyway - it's of some concern to me that so far the dealer has only managed to tell me I can get one kit for $700 and another for $2200. Apart from that the information is scarce (what brand they are, part numbers, what do they do differently etc). I actually suspect that the $2200 option is the 9W3 but I can't make that decision based on a guess.

Cheers,
David

[Swallowtail]

The $700 system (9W2 I believe) is a very basic system, no integration with stereo or instrument display.

I believe the 9W3 is the Skoda-based system. See http://vwnavi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10152 for more information. It does NOT use rSAP according to those posts.

As far as I know the only thing that 9W3 at your $1500 gives you over the Fiscon at ~$800 is voice activation.

And also as far as I know the VW dealer fitted $2200 is an rSAP system that will not work with your iPhone.

[whoistheg]

The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

I was told its better to get this premium installed as the price difference is only a few hundred dollars.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode

who knows the iPhone might support rSAP in 4.0

I have read lots of posts on the VWnavi forums and its all very confusing

My install is tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.

[Swallowtail]

The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

I was told its better to get this premium installed as the price difference is only a few hundred dollars.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode

who knows the iPhone might support rSAP in 4.0

I have read lots of posts on the VWnavi forums and its all very confusing

My install is tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.

Good luck with that. "It should work..." "I was told it's better..." "all very confusing"

I repeat - as far as I am aware and as far as hundreds of other people who've posted on the Internet, the VW Premium Bluetooth system is an rSAP system that won't work with an iPhone.

It's good you are clear before you part with $2200. Your $...

I hope for your sake that I am wrong.

[whoistheg]

Im getting mine for Volkspower so its only $1500 not $2200

if it does not work ill get him to

a) get the kit that does work
b) replace it with a new model. Fiscon

There is so much mis-information on these internet forums about what will and wont work that who is to know whats right.

I mean people have Skoda kits/ABCD versions/premium/non premium/Parrot

I dont really care either i told Dean i wanted BT installed and i have a RNS510 an iPhone. Take my money and make it work

[Swallowtail]

OK - what you are getting is NOT the rSAP unit. The Volkspower fitted unit is NOT what VW sell as Premium, and yes it will work with the iPhone, because it's NOT rSAP. The reason it's cheaper is because it's a different unit, although functionality is pretty similar, minus the rSAP.

As to misinformation: you mean like this?:

"The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode"

All of those statements are unfortunately wrong.


VW Bluetooth options in a nutshell:

1. VW $800 "basic" (based on a Nokia unit I believe) - no MFD or head unit integration
2. Fiscon $900ish fitted - Full MFD and head unit integration, works with MFSW, no voice activation
3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation
4. VW "premium" about $2200 - rSAP phones ONLY (NOT iPhone), full integration, voice activation

Not hard really.

EDIT - should add that 1 and 4 you'll get from your local friendly VW dealer when you order your beaut new VW. 2 you can get from advancedice and their retailers here in Oz, or you can order from Kufatec in Germany, and 3 you can get also from Kufatec or from Harding Performance or Volkspower, etc.

[whoistheg]

thanks for the summary Swallowtail awesome work..

Maybe we need a BT FAQ setup under the Car Audio section.

Its doing my head in with all different versions/name


Edit: I noticed you left Parrot off the list.. haha

just to add to this..

if you are doing this yourself

3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation

I think there are 4 different versions of the firmware/revisions for this. A/B/C/D
Some work with Golf IV (white dials) some work with Red/Blue.

I'm glad i'm just paying someone to make it work.

[Swallowtail]

LOL... I think you had the right idea - paying for someone to do it.

As to a BT FAQ - do you mean like this: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...ad.php?t=31461

It's a new sticky in the Audio section.

I'll put a note in there about the firmware versions.

Cheers

[whoistheg]

Awesome stuff..

and i guess we can add to it as we find out more..

Cheers

LOL... I think you had the right idea - paying for someone to do it.

As to a BT FAQ - do you mean like this: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...ad.php?t=31461

It's a new sticky in the Audio section.

I'll put a note in there about the firmware versions.

Cheers

[Optic]

VW Bluetooth options in a nutshell:

1. VW $800 "basic" (based on a Nokia unit I believe) - no MFD or head unit integration
2. Fiscon $900ish fitted - Full MFD and head unit integration, works with MFSW, no voice activation
3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation
4. VW "premium" about $2200 - rSAP phones ONLY (NOT iPhone), full integration, voice activation

Hi Swallowtail,

In your above list, number 3 is the one known as the 9W3, VW part number 1Z0 035 729 D - is that correct?

The only thing I am not quite understanding is that as far as I know, the 9W3 is a true VW option - the one that is considered to be the best (?). Why on earth are Australian dealers offering number 4 (what is number 4 anyway? Is it an official VW part or just an Aussie dealer thing?) when number 3 is the official VW part, is better *and* cheaper?! Why do we have to go to Volkspower to get the VW genuine part installed rather than a dealer? It seems bizarre.

Also - with the 3rd option, I have read that the "D" model supports A2DP with the new iPhone 3.0 firmware. Have you seen this personally? I am starting to hear about an "E" version as well - any idea what the difference is with this?

Cheers,
David