CHINESE TYRES vs BRAND NAME

[Rooboy]

I think I'll stick to the scientific tests rather than seat of the pants. I usually check the Wheels and Motor annual tyre tests and quite often the tester will say a certain tyre felt good but the results didn't match the feel.

The Goodyear Efficient Grip was the exact opposite of the Conti in that it was crisply responsive, but not quick between the cones, trailing the Bridgestone by almost half a second. The Maxxis in sixth place was similar in that it felt good, but couldn’t deliver against the stopwatch.

Wheels Tyre Test 2017: Eight brands compared | Wheels

[amunra]

I think I'll stick to the scientific tests rather than seat of the pants. I usually check the Wheels and Motor annual tyre tests and quite often the tester will say a certain tyre felt good but the results didn't match the feel.

The Goodyear Efficient Grip was the exact opposite of the Conti in that it was crisply responsive, but not quick between the cones, trailing the Bridgestone by almost half a second. The Maxxis in sixth place was similar in that it felt good, but couldn’t deliver against the stopwatch.

Wheels Tyre Test 2017: Eight brands compared | Wheels

you guys can do as you please as people are free to do what they choose.

noones asking you to read this thread or has a gun to your head asking you to use these tyres.

so far im having a POSITIVE experience and i think you might be getting upset that for now you may be wrong.. but hey in time or in another few thousand KM's you might be right.. or you might be not.

lets see

[Dutch77]

I think I'll stick to the scientific tests rather than seat of the pants. I usually check the Wheels and Motor annual tyre tests and quite often the tester will say a certain tyre felt good but the results didn't match the feel.

The Goodyear Efficient Grip was the exact opposite of the Conti in that it was crisply responsive, but not quick between the cones, trailing the Bridgestone by almost half a second. The Maxxis in sixth place was similar in that it felt good, but couldn’t deliver against the stopwatch.

Wheels Tyre Test 2017: Eight brands compared | Wheels

I catch the Motor one each year and while obviously far from a perfect art, the effort they go to eliminate variables and break it down to actual fact rather than thought is impressive.

And what is consistent every year is that the el cheapo stuff is always, always, always well off the pace for performance, and perhaps more critically for the day to day stuff - in the wet and braking distances.

I won't skimp on the black stuff for two reasons - I enjoy my driving, and my family rides in the car. End of story.

[Rooboy]

I agree Dutch. I'd hoped that this thread would be beneficial but unless there is some quantifiable data it's not helpful at all.

Telling us that there is "no traction loss" and "they hold the road extremely well" is not helpful as it is opinion only and we have no idea on the style of driving nor comparison data to tell us if the opinion is on the money or not. Any tyre can have no traction loss and hold the road well depending on how it's driven.

As you point out, it's the ability to compare for the critical day to day stuff that's important, like wet and dry braking distances, and in that article I linked there's a 4m difference between the best and the worst. That's about the length of a Polo, so, in an emergency braking situation it might be the difference between kissing the rear bumper or slamming through the rear passenger compartment. The scary part is that the worst tyre in the comparo is standard fitment on the Golf Alltrack. Are they any better than the tyres amuna chose...who knows...

[Kachingg]

I agree Dutch. I'd hoped that this thread would be beneficial but unless there is some quantifiable data it's not helpful at all.

Telling us that there is "no traction loss" and "they hold the road extremely well" is not helpful as it is opinion only and we have no idea on the style of driving nor comparison data to tell us if the opinion is on the money or not. Any tyre can have no traction loss and hold the road well depending on how it's driven.

As you point out, it's the ability to compare for the critical day to day stuff that's important, like wet and dry braking distances, and in that article I linked there's a 4m difference between the best and the worst. That's about the length of a Polo, so, in an emergency braking situation it might be the difference between kissing the rear bumper or slamming through the rear passenger compartment. The scary part is that the worst tyre in the comparo is standard fitment on the Golf Alltrack. Are they any better than the tyres amuna chose...who knows...

I can tell you rooboy the standard tyres on the alltrack are garbage after my new hankook v12,s went on it was night and day diffrence

It,s a shame that VW sell this car with such low spec tyres i bet they last a long time but as far as ride quality and grip they are lacking( maybe its cause they expect it to be used offroad or the 4wd to cover up the poor grip?) make sure when they wear out you get a better tyre you will notice the change for sure i did

[amunra]

I agree Dutch. I'd hoped that this thread would be beneficial but unless there is some quantifiable data it's not helpful at all.

Telling us that there is "no traction loss" and "they hold the road extremely well" is not helpful as it is opinion only and we have no idea on the style of driving nor comparison data to tell us if the opinion is on the money or not. Any tyre can have no traction loss and hold the road well depending on how it's driven.

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i see it may be helpful to some as im out there as a consumer and experienced driver experiencing good levels of grip in the wet with no traction loss in every day and spirited driving.

its not really 'my opinion' as it isnt a matter of me disputing something so far with what i think E.G traction loss light actually turning on and my opinion is it isnt .... im actually just trying to give feedback on the tyres and they and the car are behaving and performing since theyve been on... an opinion on whether they are good or bad is yet to be determined but feedback on how they are performing while on my own car not some tyre testers in a magazine....

please keep in mind im not proclaiming to be an expert nor a scientist or professional tyre tester.

i am merely humble joe like most on this forum giving his feedback on a product that might be of interest to some.

its great that its received so many views already so i take it is of interest in 1 way or another to many.

[GolfRRR]

Thank you Amunra for trying to inform and assist the forum. I think everyone reading forums understood and know that contributors aren't race car driver scientists. In fact I don't think I've read a thread on this forum that met this criteria - funny how some people have seemingly pointed this strange anomaly out...

The forum members that are deriding your findings are suffering from Cognitive dissonance. If you started an exact same thread trialling cheap tyres and your findings were terrible they would have accepted your non-scientific feedback as evidence. It would have supported their pre-conceived understanding of what they understand as facts. This is especially common among older men, as the older they get, they are less likely to accept counter-evidence. Because your non-scientific findings were against these 'understood facts' - they are more likely to deride the way you carried out testing rather than accept your findings as alternative or balancing feedback. When this happens look for non-rational, emotional statements like 'my family' 'I wouldn't trust', or 'cheap chinese' (ironic that they're probably using a $1000 Chinese made iPhone...) or 'those extra cm's is the difference between life or death' rather than actual scientific evidence disproving your actual and specific tyre choice.

Regarding the helpful motor magazine tyre testing links. I'm also a fan of these. Notice that MOTOR has never done a 'Commuting Tyre Test'? Apart from being a boring read, the outcomes would be: "all tyres felt, drove, and stopped the same in the 25km/h city traffic test" "no discernible winner was identified" etc. So that covers 97% of drivers... for the other 3% who are lending out their high performance brand new car to a race driver with fresh new tyres to go around witches hats on the way to work - you can easily discern the extra 5% performance difference between the tyres...


Although Context is everything. Cheaper tyres will tend to perform worse than expensive tyres - generally. But that doesn't mean cheaper tyres are worse from a scientific perspective it just recognises other variables are at play. (Which I won't go into for brevity). Fundamentally - the best tyres and more expensive tyres only perform a very small percentage difference (not noticeable to 98% of drivers doing 98% of normal commuting driving) better than the cheapest and worst (avoiding the extremes at either end of the spectrum). The performance difference per cost is so miniscule it's mainly down to marketing, perception and a placebo effect. If we bought other commodities at the same price per performance difference as tyres, it would be laughable. Would you pay double the price for a hat because it had a 1mm wider rim (think of the skin cancer!)? Or spend 50% more to get a 2% performance difference? You can thank those highly paid pesky marketing people for why you do.

Yes at extreme ends - bad tyres are terrrible and $1000 semi-slick race tyres are grippy, but if your cheap tyres brake 30cm longer than a more expensive tyre and this worries you and keeps you up at night and you think your family is certainly going to die - you probably should buy a lighter car, buy wider tyres (refer dry driving only), look for softer compounds, or fit braided brake lines, or carry less petrol, or less passengers, or buy an AWD car, or buy a car with the latest ABS or ESP, change your tyres every 12months, get a wheel alignment, fit bigger brake rotors, only drive in the dry, change brake fluid every 12months, buy better brake pads, or drive 2 km/h slower or pay more attention to your driving- or have better reflexes and be under the age of 40. Or do all of the above. If you're nodding your head that you already do most of these you're probably in the top 1% of Australian cautious drivers. (Still won't stop you getting killed by the driver in the white Camry on bald tyres texting....) These are all variables at play and can't be looked at in isolation to tyres and this is also what makes spending a large amount on tyres compared to middle to lower spec strata tyres amusing. I will happily drag race any FWD car with the best tyres in an AWD with the worst tyres. I will happily do a braking test in a 1360kg Evo verse a 1700kg (average weight of passenger vehicles in Australia) car fitted with the best tyres money can buy.

There is a bell curve of tyre buying (performance v cost) - as long as you're not at either end you're fine.

[sn809]

Also be wary of the performance just "falling off a cliff"

[Dutch77]

This thread is getting more hilarious by the minute.

[XeroTAO]

Someone make a new account to back themselves up?

Said my bit, im gonna sit back and watch this trainwreck.


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[amunra]

Someone make a new account to back themselves up?

Said my bit, im gonna sit back and watch this trainwreck.


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lol ?

im sure theres more people watching this thread with interest in saving $ on tyres than there are who share your cynical narrow minded high horsed mentality.

only some one who has your way of thinking would think someone would go to the length of doing something like that....

clearly someone is backing me up and you cant seem to accept that just like you cant accept that these tyres might be good.





btw.

5,000km on the tyres so far and theyre performing well still in the dry and wet... physical condition of them look good too nothing unusual.

[Dutch77]

Yep, lots of users on this site only log in once and post a screen full of garbage in support of fitting cheap skate tyres to their Golf R.

Still looking to find a 'real' second user who shells out $50-60k on a performance ride and then looks to cut corners on one of the easiest and relatively speaking cheapest performance upgrades they can make on their car.

But anyway clearly thousands are clueless.

[XeroTAO]

lol ?

im sure theres more people watching this thread with interest in saving $ on tyres than there are who share your cynical narrow minded high horsed mentality.

only some one who has your way of thinking would think someone would go to the length of doing something like that....

clearly someone is backing me up and you cant seem to accept that just like you cant accept that these tyres might be good.





btw.

5,000km on the tyres so far and theyre performing well still in the dry and wet... physical condition of them look good too nothing unusual.

Sure thing dude. Are you just pushing this product? Or are you actually using/testing them?

Im yet to see even a photo of these tyres on your car.

Btw

My company pays for my tyres. Im not picky what vw provides me. All i know is they wont install cheap chinese tyres


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[amunra]

My company pays for my tyres. Im not picky what vw provides me. All i know is they wont install cheap chinese tyres


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thats great to hear.

[amunra]

Yep, lots of users on this site only log in once and post a screen full of garbage in support of fitting cheap skate tyres to their Golf R.

whether you log in once in a while to the site or be online all day long like you it doesnt make your opinion less or more valid.

its gone from being a friendly forum thread to you guys treating me like a criminal with your extensive knowledge and wisdom on everything cars.

sorry for upsetting you guys