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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mr ©harisma View Post
    Simple answer is yes.

    The only obvious problem is getting a signal from the factory deck and not having a remote turn on, like you would on an aftermarket deck. The way around this is to get either low level converters or a signal processor. You can get low level converter from Jaycar for like $15ea. Signal Processor is a bit more $$$, something like the Audiocontrol LC6 or even better Rockford Fosgate 3sixty.1. Both are RRP$399 and $499 respectively I think. Either way you will convert you 4 channel speaker outputs into the equivalent of 2 pairs of pre outs. With the RF it actually gives you 3 sets ( so you can run 5.1 ).

    Now the problem with using your speaker outputs is that you will have nothing left to power your speakers. I did this in a Mazda 3 recently, he wanted a cheap install and factory looking. So what I did:
    Use the cheaper low level converter
    Used the Acc wire as the remote turn on
    Got a 4x 50WRMS amp to run the factory speakers ( the amp has an RCA out )
    Used the 2 sets of RCA's and plugged them into the 4ch speaker amp ( this allows for fade and balance control )
    Ran another set of RCA's from the RCA out of the speaker amp to the sub amp
    Ran a wire from the remote on the 4ch to the sub amp

    Good thing is in the future when he can afford the RF 3sixty.1 he will be able to correct the EQ of the factory deck via a Palm. Also the amp is in ready for him to upgrade his speakers.

    May I ask is there any reason why you want to keep the factory deck?
    Pretty nice way of connecting the mazda's system.

    As for using the factory radio.

    You can actually use the factory radio, it has 3 plugs of the back of it. But 99% of VW only use the 2. One is for power and the other is for the four speakers.

    The 3rd plug, gives you RCA outputs (2V), of front rear and sub (or non-fading preout) and also an RCA input so you can use it for ipod or similar (would not recommend it with a ipod nano, internal amplifier not strong enough).

    The older Blaupunkt radio's use to have the 3rd plug available.
    If i could find it then yes i would also have gone down the OEM radio, if it was not Japanese Frequency range.

    But Alas i have 9887 to play with, and should be getting my 9887 hopefully in a couple of days.
    Audi S4 (2001) - Imola Yellow
    Secret Project

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    • #17
      you will need a Amp that accepts Speaker lever input tho..

      correct glidn?
      - 2010 Golf R
      - 1997 Golf VR6
      - 1989 MKII Golf Diesel
      - 1987 VW Golf GTI 16V

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      • #18
        I thought so. Mazda install seems too complicated, i was thinking of getting am amp like Hitman said and use the signal off rear speakers for the amp. Can that be done?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by HitmanR32 View Post
          you will need a Amp that accepts Speaker lever input tho..
          correct glidn?
          Only if you choose ( and please don't ) to use your speaker output as the signal wire. If you get a low level converter, that converts your high level speaker signal into low level RCA. Hence like normal, you would hook your RCA's to the amp... Do yourself a favour and get a $300 deck. Then you wont have to worry about signal whine and all the other crappy problems that some people get with the converters. If you had a MKV, I would keep the factory dash and get the RF 3sixty.2.. but they are just under $1k.

          Wow I just thought all MKIV's had a crappy tape deck.. but I guess not
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          • #20
            Originally posted by balkanac View Post
            I thought so. Mazda install seems too complicated, i was thinking of getting am amp like Hitman said and use the signal off rear speakers for the amp. Can that be done?
            Yeah if you don't want your rear speakers to work, which face it they are a waste of time for most people, then yeah. All you will need to do:
            Keep the fronts as they are
            use the rear speakers wire into the low level converter
            run the RCA's to your amp
            run a remote wire from somewhere ( as I said I used the Acc )
            run your power and earth cables like normal
            hook up your sub and presto!

            Good thing as well you will have fading control over your woofer ( as they will be running off the rear channels ).

            The Mazda install was done with the ability to upgrade in the future. Also he wanted all his speakers amped otherwise I would have just hooked up 1 4channel amp
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            • #21
              Thanks guys will have to go look for a amp running 100wrms per channel shuold be sick my brother has a Mk3 with a set Of Infinity Components running at 90wrms and a infinity sub running bridge mode of the same amp sounds Sick!! rattles his euro plate on the back lol

              Steve

              1999 Vw Mk4 GLE 2.0

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              • #22
                As Mr charisma said, try not to use speaker level in put if you can.

                Otherwise yes Hitman, you can get amplifiers that except both Speaker level inputs and RCA.

                the E-Audio brand amps jump to mind on this, as not only do the have both inputs. You can also set the input sensitivity.
                Audi S4 (2001) - Imola Yellow
                Secret Project

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                • #23
                  what brand amp and model should i be looking for im open to all suggestions
                  thanks

                  1999 Vw Mk4 GLE 2.0

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                  • #24
                    Audison Thesis, $6k awesome amp

                    Seriously, how much $$$ you willing to pay for an amp
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                    • #25
                      hahaha about $500

                      1999 Vw Mk4 GLE 2.0

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                      • #26
                        about?

                        Audison SRx2s
                        Focal 2.75
                        DD C2a
                        PPI A500/2
                        Treo TSX 75.2

                        are some to look at
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                        • #27
                          thanks mate

                          1999 Vw Mk4 GLE 2.0

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                          • #28
                            180 Watts @ 4 Ohms isnt that a bit much for the stock speakers?
                            looks like the PPI A500/2 is the best option for stock speakers?
                            Last edited by stevend01; 24-03-2008, 08:19 PM.

                            1999 Vw Mk4 GLE 2.0

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                            • #29
                              lol sorry mate I thought you wanted around 100WRMS for future upgrades lol.

                              Yeah the SRx2s makes 180WRMS x2 @ 4ohm 13.8V 1%THD ( I have one ). More importantly you should look at the clean power it makes, 135WRMS x2 @ 4ohm 12.5V 0.03%THD. Damping factor is awesome as well.

                              When you see the DDC2a it makes more power and only costs about $450.. they make a smaller C1a that "only" makes 100WRMS x2 for like $350. I really like the look of the Treo and Focal amps though
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