Crazy VW conversions

[Jarred]

This stuff is insane! I have a 600 Hp 350 chev just sitting in the shed i built, anyone know if it would wit in and cool little VW or Seat Preferably Mk1 golf. Anyone hear ever done any RWD stuff?

Tim (golfworx) has thought about it all before!
From memory, It was a pretty indepth conversion. Raised floors, 4 link rear, custom mounts. tranny tunnel, the lot.

he's the guy you'd want to talk to if you were serious!

[Oneofthegreats]

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[Oneofthegreats]

This stuff is insane! I have a 600 Hp 350 chev just sitting in the shed i built, anyone know if it would wit in and cool little VW or Seat Preferably Mk1 golf. Anyone hear ever done any RWD stuff?

What are the specs of your small block?

If I had a engine like that, I could easily find much, much better cars to fit it into than a VW!

"IF" it makes a true 600hp & isn't a imaginative throw around figure like most engine builders, in a lightweight car like a Torana it will run single digit figures with minimal suspension mods!

Even in a heavier car eg. HG, HQ etc. thats a low 10 sec pass, but only if all the other ingredients are spot on.



Think of a engine, driveline & suspension package/setup as a meal/dinner.

If the ingredients are all spot on, then a meal will taste awesome & tingle all your senses!

But if you have have a mixed bag of crap, or even just one ingredient off, the meal will taste like s%^t!

The same principle applies to drivline packages. Mainly engines!

[leo46]

Yeah mate i know all this i had it in my HR it ran mid 11s on street tyres and bowser fuel. We will see what happens.

[Oneofthegreats]

Yeah mate i know all this i had it in my HR it ran mid 11s on street tyres and bowser fuel. We will see what happens.

Sorry if I sound sceptical, but a 600hp HR should run high 9's @ approx 130mph!

600hp 350ci on PUMP fuel?


A friends heavier HG with a 308 making approx 440hp ran a very low 11 @ 118mph! On DOT Mickey T ET street tyres

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check it out



MK1 Audi S4 Bi turbo mid-engined

Volkswagen : MK1 Audi S4 Bi turbo mid-engined project car

[Oneofthegreats]

Thats pretty cool Velly!


Reminds me of the brown Mk1 with the Porsche 911 turbo engine which the body would separate just behind the front seats a very long time ago.

Just can't find a pic of it!

[velly_16v_cab]

Thats pretty cool Velly!


Reminds me of the brown Mk1 with the Porsche 911 turbo engine which the body would separate just behind the front seats a very long time ago.

Just can't find a pic of it!

here is the details

CAR magazine December 1980

Bombshell

Italian-Swiss car maker Franco Sbarro has built some extraordinary machines. But this £35,000 Golf packing a 3.3litre Porsche Turbo engine tops the lot.

Giancarlo Fermi reports

Golf GTI’s are fashionable cars in Europe and the most fashionable are the ones painted black. There’s a Gil in Switzerland, owned by an industrialist in Montreux, which is black, but which has gold striping and other changes, all subtle, to set it apart. Two air intakes on the flanks ahead of the rear wheels grab your attention first. Then you notice the tyres — enormous Pirelli P7s on ornate BBS wheels. Look inside and see that there are only two seats — two incongruous red leather armchairs, mounted on polished wood supports — that there is more wood for the dash and steering wheel, and extra dials. One, you notice, says ‘boost pressure’. Look to the back of the cabin and see that where once granny sat there is a platform, extending from the front seats to the rear door at window level. Underneath it, you think, must be a lot of hardware. Come away scratching your head and look for more clues; there, where the badge on the tailgate usually says GTi’ is written S. .. B.. . A.. . R. .. R . . . 0. Yes, this is another creation from the master of the oddball motor car, Franco Sbarro.
This Golf is worthy of the Swiss engineering eccentric. Underneath the boxed-in rear section is a Porsche Turbo engine, all 3.3lltres and 330horses of it. The ‘industrialist’, whose name Sbarro is keeping to himself, paid about £35,000 for this ultimate Q-car. In layout it resembles Renault’s 5Turbo — with a blown powerplant mounted amidships and driving to the rear wheels — but there the similarities end, for the solutions Sbarro has come up with for the one-off are, well, different: like a body which is raised on hydraulic struts
The Porsche engine, transmission and rear suspension are mounted on a subframe, racing car style. The body is fixed to this by four bolts and those hydraulic struts; it’s a system which Sbarro has used before (for his Pilcar) and which he has patented. With the body raised — It looks largely unaltered but in fact has been strengthened by a 132lb tubular frame welded inside — access to the mechanicals is unrestricted. Sbarro says the whole powerplant assembly can be removed in l5minutes. The hydraulic struts have another job: they hold the body firmly down on the subframe — with a force of 7tons.
At the front there are the GTi’s MacPherson struts, completely retuned to suit the 195/15 P7s. Bigger 225 section P7s are fitted at the back, on light alloy wheel carriers with coil sprung A-arms and lateral links; again, racing car style. Brakes are 12.6in ventilated discs all round. The steering is unchanged, although with the altered weight distribution — 60/40 in favour of the rear — it helps to have both seats occupied and the front boot full of luggage to keep the nose down. Loaded like this weight distribution is about 50/50; ideal.
At present the Golf Turbo is running in but soon it wilt goto Germany where, on the motorway at 6000rpm in fifth gear, a true 150mph is expected. At 24251b the VW is 4001b lighter than a Porsche Turbo and it was this which encouraged Sbarro to go for a gearbox with shorter ratios; in the end, the five-speed ZF DS25 box — used in the BMW Ml — was chosen. The priorities, after all, were supercarstyle acceleration but with easy handling in city traffic. It’s because of this slight compromise that the car is not as quick as you’d expect off the mark, reaching 62mph in a very good but not all-conquering 6séc. Later on, however, when the turbocharger is fully on song and the tachometer needle is in the useful 3800-6000rpm band, the Golf gets up and goes, in true supercar fashion. Around town it impresses, too, for the Golf is easy to drive slowly, being smooth and quiet for most of the time.
The Golf Turbo looks as though it goes around bends well and it does: flatly, securely and with those Pirellis hugging the tarmac. The steering is light and the controls easy, and on smooth, dry roads it feels relaxed and comfortable, the handling quite neutral at modest speeds. How it behaves at higher speeds — and in particular the quality of the steering on fast motorways — is something that we’ll have to wait to find out.
Changes to the car include a22gal fuel tank — it does about 15mpg — under the reinforced front boot and those air intakes; Sbarro claims they provide more cooling air to the engine than in a Porsche Turbo. Inside there are those odd seats, assembled as one unit, and the boost pressure gauge, with oil temperature dial and quartz clock, mounted in the space normally taken by a radio; this Golf has a full-ho use hi-fi system low on the centre console.
More than 2oyears ago an American became famous for driving a white VW Beetle from Place de a Concorde to L’Etoile in downtown Paris. Under the Beetle’s bonnet was a ChevroletV8 engine. It started something, and the quest for bigger and better Q-cars, the lookalike tin boxes with the monster muscle, has gone on ever since. Now, however, with Franca Sbarro and a lot of other people’s money they are for the autobahn, not the town. And no doubt this is where the Swiss owner — who Incidentally Intends to use the Golf every day to get to work — will point his blown black bombshell. He will be very fashionable, And he will be very, very fast.

[GoLfMan]

that is goddam cool!

[Oneofthegreats]

HAHA.

That tops the lot Velly! awesome

I can only remember it as brown!

Thats how old the magazine was. It was faded! bahahaha

[velly_16v_cab]

glad you liked it, i found it all online...a very lucky google search

[leo46]

Sorry if I sound sceptical, but a 600hp HR should run high 9's @ approx 130mph!

600hp 350ci on PUMP fuel?


A friends heavier HG with a 308 making approx 440hp ran a very low 11 @ 118mph! On DOT Mickey T ET street tyres

The engine was not running as high as horse power back then!

[GeorgeMK1]

There are some pretty crazy, yet VERY inspiring vw's here.

This one is one of my fav's as iv seen it in action and gotta say it was great. (it burned down) this is Rob Ferolli's golf mk1 Citi from South Africa.
I couldn't find all that much on it, but i guess the important stuff is here.


The twin-engined project seemed like just the ticket. Keep power "down" to about three-hundred kilowatts per engine and he would have more than enough power to run the sort of times on the quarter mile that had eluded him in single-engined Golfs.

The starter-pack for the project was a one-point-six Citi Golf body shell, which was stripped before all the components were put into this mind-blowing street-racer. It took Robbie Ferroli just three months to complete this amazing project car.

Robbie says he never sat down and drew any plans for the project, but rather took things step by step.

The car uses two sixteen-valve Golf engines, a two-litre engine in the front, and a one-comma-eight litre unit in the rear.
But, as they say in the 0 8 hundred ads, that’s not all. Both engines were turbocharged and each received its own nitrous oxide installation.

The rear engine is located where the boot would be, and according to Robbie, mounting the extra engine-package was not as difficult as some would imagine.
He started by cutting out a section of the floor and welding in a complete front engine installation from a Jumbo Golf sixteen-valve model.

To make sure the rear wheels stayed pointing in the straight-ahead position, Robbie locked off the steering rack using two machined plugs.
In this way Robbie avoided having to make up countless suspension components. And it has the advantage of providing easily adjustable toe-in on the rear wheels.

Both the front and rear gearboxes are cabled-linked to the gearlever. He says it was quite easy to ensure that both gearboxes select the right gears simultaneously.

Each engine has its own separate starter and ignition management system, as well as its own cooling and intercooling system for the turbochargers.

Everything is doubled up. There are two gauges for revs, oil pressure and water temperature, as well as turbo-boost on each engine’s turbocharger.

Robbie says his main problem was to squeeze all the radiators and intercoolers into the available space in the Golf without changing the exterior too much.

Apart from the wild colour scheme and roof-mounted rear wing, he wanted things to look as stock as possible.
The layout in the rear of the car is a work of art. Some would call it a plumber’s nightmare, but everything is installed with great pride of workmanship.

Items like fuel tanks and oil catchment tanks were all purpose-made for the project in aluminum.

The car runs fairly modest street legal tyres on TSW rims, as Robbie did not want to turn the car into a quasi drag racer. He receives sponsorship from Yokohama for the tyres and the way it burns rubber, that is probably a good thing!


Being effectively a four-wheel drive car, it’s a natural understeerer. The push from the rear wheels and the drive forces on the front mean that traction on the front wheels will let go initially in a corner.

The technique to get it around corners quickly is to "pitch" the car into a corner with the accelerator released, and then as the rear end starts to swing round to apply the right amount of power and hold the car in a four-wheel-drift.

Acceleration is phenomenal, with zero to one hundred coming up in under four seconds. The car has run a ten-comma-six- second quarter-mile.
Top speed is well over two-hundred-and-eighty kilometres-per-hour, with more to come.

Robbie says that synchronizing the motors as far as tuning goes is not a problem. Because they run independently of one another, the one engine merely helps the other along, so they never hold each other back.






Sorry if it was a bit too long..

[velly_16v_cab]

this is the one that set on fire on the rollers!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mw4Nn84lRQ

it is like the dubsport mk1 UFO .

they did a few twin engine cars...



MK1 spec:
ENGINES: 1984cc Audi engines with ported and gasflowed 16 valve heads. Twin 45 Dell'orto carbs, Kent 276 cams, Supersprint 4-2-1 exhaust manifolds, custom Scorpion stainless exhaust, K&N filters. Custom high-flow radiator. Custom throttle cables. 50bhp per engine Nitrous oxide kit.

TRANSMISSION: Two MK3 Golf 16v gearboxes. VW Motorsport Mk3 Golf competition quickshift gear linkage, lever and cables. Twin hydraulic clutches. Late-model Golf cabriolet drive-shafts, shortened at rear.

CHASSIS: 7.5x16"(front), 9x16"(rear) RH Cup-Rader alloys with 205/40 R16(front), 215/40 R16(rear) tyres. Spax RSX coilover struts, Mk2 Golf front, Mk1 Golf rear. 250lb front springs, 350lb rear, Neuspeed anti-roll bars, 22mm front, 25mm rear. Volksport lower front strut brace. 90-spec Mk2 Golf 16v hubs front and rear. G60 front calipers with 280mm Zinc cross-drilled discs. Mk2 16v front callipers fitted on rear with 256mm Zinc cross-drilled discs. Golf 16v brake servo, 23mm alloy master cylinder. Adjustable brake bias.

EXTERIOR: Painted in Seat Kiwi yellow mix. Smoothed bonnet and scuttle panel. Single wiper with integrated washer jet, side mouldings removed, fuel filler smoothed over and alloy filler cap fitted inside B-pillar, flushed tailgate with lock and wiper removed, number plate re-located to bumper. Mk2-style big bumpers front and rear, Single head light de-badged cabriolet style grille, Wider arch trims, DTM mirrors. In-Pro smoked lights front and rear.

INTERIOR: Fully stripped-out with dashboard, carpets, sound deadening etc. removed. Carbon-fibre door trims. Cobra/Dubsport Evolution seats with colour-coded backs. Willans four-point harnesses, full motorsport approved roll-cage. MJ Interiors leather roll-cage pads. Twin Elliot rev counters, SPA digital speedo. Drilled alloy floor panels. Mk3 Golf stalks, Sparco suede steering wheel, six VDO gauges in carbon fibre panel. Ignition switches and starter buttons in carbon fibre panel.


mk2 spec:

ENGINES: Front- 2782cc VR6 from Mk3 Golf, Rear 2861cc VR6 from Corrado. Custom Scorpion stainless exhaust, single silencer for front engine, triple silencers for rear engine. Power 174bhp (front), 190bhp (rear).

TRANSMISSION: Standard Mk3 Golf cable-change gearboxes front and rear, custom gearshift link mechanism.

CHASSIS: 8x17" TSW Venom alloys, (It was built in 1997 when they'd just come out!) with 215/40 R17 Yokohama A510 tyres. Spax RSX coilover struts, polyurethane bushes throughout, factory anti-roll bars. 90-spec Mk2 Golf 16v hubs front and rear (reversed at rear). Golf VR6 front calipers with 280mm Zinc cross-drilled discs, Golf VR6 front calipers, reversed at rear with 280mm Zinc cross-drilled discs. Goodridge braided brake lines, 90-spec Golf 16v servo with 23mm alloy master cylinder. Rally-spec hydaulic handbrake, adjustable brake bias valve.

EXTERIOR: Golf Rallye shell, Full respray in Porsche Blue, smoothed bonnet, door handles and side strips removed, flushed rear panel, rear wiper and boot lock removed, single wiper conversion with smoothed scuttle panel, M3 style mirrors, modified rallye grille with off-centre badge, Mk3 VR6 front spoiler extended to fit, front corner splitters, blue front, side and rear lights.

INTERIOR: Rallye half-leather Recaro front seats and door panels, Schroth harnesses, Momo steering wheel.


mk3 spec:


ENGINES: Two 2782cc VR6's, compression ratios lowered to 8.5:1 with laser-cut steel spacer plates, gas flowed cylinder heads, custom ground Piper cams, two water-cooled Garrett T3 turbo chargers, two Pace Products alloy chargecoolers, Jetex respone cone filters, Custom re-mapped ECU's. Rear engine has alternator, water pump and PAS pumps removed, mounted on modified Mk2 subframe, with seperate fuse box. Custom manifold (front), cast manifold (rear), full Blue Flame custom stainless exhaust with 3" single silencers and 4" tailpipes. Single custom radiator for both engines to warm rear engine when idle, electric water pump on rear coolant pipe, two Mocal oil coolers. Custom aluminium fuel tank with remote one gallon resevoir, one lift pump, two main pumps, two FSE adjustable fuel pressure regulators. Power estimated to be 400bhp per engine when fully developed.

TRANSMISSIONS: Two Quaife cable change six-speed dog 'boxes, quick release mechanism on rear 'box, VW Motorsport Mk3 Golf competition quickshift gear linkage, lever and cables. Two clutch master cylinders, Helix paddle clutches, lightened and balanced flywheels, Quaife limited-slip differentials, Racelogic traction control and launch control systems.

CHASSIS: 9x17" Ronal LZ split-rim alloys with 225/35 R17 Yokohama A520 tyres. Mk2 Golf front Koni adjustable coilover struts with custom spring rates front and rear, Mk3 Golf CV joints used front and rear, Dubsport seam-welded uprated Mk2 Golf wishbones front and rear, roller adjustable top mounts front and rear, Neuspeed rose-jointed anti-roll bars front and rear, Neuspeed polished alloy upper strut brace, polyurethane bushes throughout. Mk3 Golf hubs front and rear (reversed), 330mm grooved Bremsport front discs four-pot Bremsport calipers and Bremsport pads, custom 5-stud bells and caliper brackets, 5-stud 280mm Zinc cross-drilled rear discs with Golf G60 calipers and Pagid pads, ABS system retained, two Pilton adjustable brake bias valves, Goodridge braided hoses throughout. Rally-spec hydaulic handbrake.

EXTERIOR: Mk3 Golf shell with rear floor pan removed, Mk4 cabriolet front end including, valance, lights, grille, wings and bonnet, scuttle panel removed and replaced with a stainless steel custom fabricated panel to aid front engine cooling, all four wheel arches extended with metal, Zender rear valance with number plate recess cut out, flush tailgate with wiper removed, clear rear light clusters and side repeaters, stubby aluminium bee-sting arial, de-locked and fully colour-coded in Porsche blue colour code 36G.

INTERIOR: Fully stipped out including dash, half roll-cage welded in, Corbeau Pro Sport kevlar bucket seats and matching lightweight door cards trimmed to match, Willans four-point harnesses, two Autometer full dial sets mounted on chrome bulkhead rail, Momo Millenium steering wheel with chromed boss, VW Motorsport gear shift and linkage with custom made chromed mounting tower, chromed pedals and pedal box with Sparco polished aluminium covers, Mk3 electric sunroof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nLbrEnKgwU

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and just for giggles

twin 16v rocco!!!
YouTube - Twin 16V Scirocco

Rocco drift