Castrol Edge Sport

[docjames]

Due to corporate arrangements, we use Castrol lubricants for our cars.

Both the MkV GTI and 2.0FSI are due for servicing shortly.

Previously in the 2.0FSI we've used Castrol Edge Sport 5W30.

I note there is also a 0W30 in the "Edge Sport" range - what is the benefit (if any) of this?


Based in Brisbane, service annual as we both do <15000km/yr if that makes a difference (temperature/season wise).

Looking for opinions of which of the two above I should use in each car.

Thanks in advance.

[Diesel_vert]

Technically, compared to 5W-30 oils, a 0W-30 oil will flow quicker on start up and yet provide the same protection when at operating temperatures. But the viscosity rating of an oil is by no means an indicator of performance.

My opinion on oils:

The Australian-market Edge Sport 5W-30 will meet the minimum requirements for your engine. I personally wouldn't use it, but will meet warranty requirements.

Two better performing oils are Castrol Syntec 0W-30, available at PerformanceLub.com. Seems like a good place to buy, see this thread. Also known as "GC" (German Castrol) by the people at Bob Is The Oil Guy forums. Has a loyal following and rave about its performance.

The other great oil is Castrol SLX Professional Longlife III Powerflow 5W-30 which meets the latest VW spec 504.00/507.00. Should be available from the dealer but probably better off buying from a Castrol distributor because of dealer markup.

The Australian website doesn't show a 0W-30 oil in the "Edge Sport" range. Perhaps you are confused with the Euro-market "Castrol Edge 0W-30" - which would also be an excellent choice if you can get it.


All in all, I'd get the Syntec 0W-30. Mainly because its performance has been verified by the BITOG forum, is excellent value for money at $14.00 per quart ($14.80 per litre) and easy to obtain if bought from PL.

[docjames]

Thanks for the very comprehensive answer.

Can I use SLX longlife III in both cars?

[Diesel_vert]

Yes, you can. Same goes for the other oils I've mentioned.

[johnvw]

Diesel_vert.
Really interesting to read your comments in regard to castrol edge sport 5W-30 meeting minimum requirements only.
I use this oil in a Vw Golf Gti 2007 2.0L T and planned to use the same in a new Audi A4B8 2010.
Both engines are petrol and oil is changed every six months ( March and September), so I`m an old guy.
With these regular oil changes would you still prefer Castrol Syntec 0W-30.
Does PL have minimum oil quantity orders, the site is a little light on for info.
Best regards
John

[Transporter]

If the engine manufacturer specify lowest viscosity oil 5W30 than you can't use 0W30 oil unless it is VW approved specs oil (inc.viscosity). Usually you can go higher in the oil viscosity (but not too much) when the engine is more loose or worn out. You will find out that all the oils in VW504.00/507.00 specs are 5W30 viscosity. Please note, that term VW approved oil means something different than the term meeting manufacturer specs (it is self proclaimed by oil manufacturer) and Castrol SLX Professional Long life III Powerflow 5W-30 is VW approved for 504.00/507.00

In other words; Oils that only states: meet, meet or exceed, made to specifications are not VW approved oils, at least not the latest oils for the latest cars.
And I don't think that you will be able to buy Castrol SLX Professional Long life III Powerflow 5W-30 VW 504.00/507.00 from the Castrol directly.

[Diesel_vert]

Really interesting to read your comments in regard to castrol edge sport 5W-30 meeting minimum requirements only.
I use this oil in a Vw Golf Gti 2007 2.0L T and planned to use the same in a new Audi A4B8 2010.

To expand further, Edge Sport 5W-30 is a 502.00/505.00 approved oil, which is a dual petrol/diesel spec introduced in 1997 - a time before long drain intervals, strict emissions laws and the much reduced wear limits of today.

503.01 is a petrol spec which was introduced in 2000 and designed for the higher output motors at the time (mainly used by high performance Audis) and is a much more robust spec. Syntec 0W-30 is 503.01 approved, as well as 502.00/505.00 by default.

504.00/507.00 was introduced in 2004 to combine all existing petrol/diesel oils into one spec. It currently boasts the toughest specs and, for your purposes, supersedes all previous oil specs.

Both engines are petrol and oil is changed every six months ( March and September), so I`m an old guy.
With these regular oil changes would you still prefer Castrol Syntec 0W-30.

It would make the most sense to use only one oil suitable for both VAG engines, so we need to determine what engine has the highest minimum requirement and use that as the baseline. We already know 502.00/505.00 is the minimum requirement for the Golf, so that leaves the A4.

If your Audi's minimum requirement is 504.00/507.00 then you would be better off buying SLX Longlife III 5W-30 in bulk and save (20L canister), direct from a Castrol distributor and use it in both cars. Or any 504.00/507.00 oil you fancy (Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 would be nice).

On the other hand if your Audi's minimum requirement is just 502.00/505.00, then you have the option of using Syntec 0W-30 - if it works out to be significantly cheaper than the 504.00/507.00 in bulk.

Does PL have minimum oil quantity orders, the site is a little light on for info.
Best regards

You have to send them an e-mail as outlined on this page. They also trade on eBay.

[johnvw]

Dear Deisel_vert,
Many thanks for this information, I will check Audi`s specs, still change the oil as regular, and possibly change to a more suitable oil
Regards
John

[Catfish]

This is all good info.

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

Thanks in advance.

[Catfish]

To make the above relevant to this thread: I'm currently using Edge Sport 5W-30, but have heard good things about Mobil 1 (including in this forum) and want to give it a go.

[Transporter]

This is all good info.

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

Thanks in advance.

From your local Mobil oil distributor, the good price is around $240 inc GST for 20L drum. There is also Penrite Enviro+ 5W30 in 5L or 1L bottles, that is VW approved and cost around $60 inc GST(for 5L) if you shop around.

[Diesel_vert]

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

I believe almost every Audi/Seat/Skoda/Volkswagen*, as well as BMW, Mercedes and Porsche, require an oil with a high temperature / high shear (HTHS) viscosity of > 3.5 mPa.s

Luckily, there is a quick method of determining this. If the oil meets either ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4, C3, or C4, it has a HTHS of >3.5. Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has a HTHS of 3.56, so it is perfectly acceptable.

If it meets either ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5, C1, or C2, then the HTHS is <3.5. Mobil 1 5W-30 has a HTHS of 3.06, so that means we cannot use it, as it is too thin.

As you can see, it's not as simple as using any 5W-30 oil. But frankly, I'm not too sure if the average consumer can be bothered to know all this! I suppose the safest option is to use oils with VW approvals.

My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

It would be convenient if Mobil sold it here in 4L or 5L bottles like they do in Europe, but it'll certainly be much better value buying in bulk anyway, as indicated by Transporter. Send Mobil an e-mail and they'll point you to your nearest distributor.



*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

[coastie]

*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

So what is suitable for the 506.00, can the 507.00 be used in that diesel? Is the number ranking backwards compatible i.e the higher the number covers the lower number.?

[Transporter]

*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

So what is suitable for the 506.00, can the 507.00 be used in that diesel? Is the number ranking backwards compatible i.e the higher the number covers the lower number.?

Yes, the 504.00/507.00 supersedes all previous specifications except Unit Injector (PD) R5/V10 diesels engines made before 2006 and without DPF which must use VW506.01

[Diesel_vert]

It seems there's always an exception when it comes to VW oil specs.

I should clarify that I just wanted to cover all bases, as unlike all the other VW oil specs, I believe that 503.00/506.00 and 503.00/506.00/506.01 are the only two that specify a HTHS of < 3.5 (min. > 2.9)

In any case, 504.00/507.00 does indeed supersede all previous specs, except (there's that word again) the R5 and V10 TDI engines up to 06/2006, which must use 503.00/506.00/506.01 regardless of service regime and with or without DPF.

Edit - beaten!