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  • Superb 206TSI Review

    Going well, ope126.
    I'm slowly getting across the differences with my previous 191V6 sedan. There are many.
    First I noticed was on sitting in the vehicle. The wheel well doesn't intrude into the cabin like the 3T, so the pedals are not offset to the left & much easier, less tiring on a long drive requiring a lot of on/off driving. The brakes are very good, not as 'savage' as the old V6.

    First thing I did, before leaving the dealership was to set the suspension mode to 'Individual' > set sports handling, but all else left as 'normal'. I find the 'comfort' mode reminiscent of a 1960s yank tank & 'normal' too pitchy, front to rear, on our less than smooth roads.
    I find that setup gives very good handling, slightly softer than my old V6.

    I'm a big bloke, so the new seats are an enormous improvement. Seat cooling actually works. You can feel the fan driven air passing through the seat. For me, the seats are much better than those in the 3T. They are wider. I no longer have the right side plastic hard on to my right hip. The visibility all around is vastly better, especially to the rear & right quarter when entering an intersection.

    The car feels no bigger than the 3T on the road; I don't feel any change needed to those stupid 'traffic calming' chicanes which litter suburban streets around me. Those chicanes also confuse the car's collision avoidance, lane & traffic jam assist sensors, as do some lane marking. A funny experience while trying those out saw the car wanting to turn left instead of go straight ahead on a stretch where old & new lane marking marking were clearly visible. The steering take a few kilometres to get used to. It is lighter & lacks the direct feel of the 3T, but I've adjusted fairly quickly.My view is Traffic jam assist probably works very well on well marked major roads with heavy traffic, but you'd be brave to trust it on anything less.

    With the Cruise Control, speed limiter & Adaptive CC all work well, but I find the placement of this third lever in front of the steering wheel, below the blink lever, awkwardly placed. Will need time to get used to. As with all cruise controls, sudden steep rises can catch these smaller 4cylinder engines short of torque if the car enters the rise at lower revs/longer gear. I drops out quite easily.

    The 206 engine has good response on its own for suburban driving & responds fantastically if you hit the loud pedal. In making a quick right turn across three lanes of oncoming traffic the car responded beautifully on all fronts. I felt no turbo lag or hesitation in the DSG & the rear end traction excellent. The power from the 206 was such as the car turned, it easily spun the back wheels for a brief moment, before traction control responded. In my opinion this 206 turbo tsi engine responds better than the R36 V6, if you need it to go harder.

    One thing I have disabled is the stop/start engine mode. It works well, but it is sometimes tardy starting & driving the DSG. Where this really shows up is if you are at a quick changing set of lights. By the time it responds, the driver behind is blowing the horn in frustration at running out of time to turn. As far as fuel consumption goes, too early to have an opinion, but the fuel gauge has hardly moved since delivery. The old V6 would be needing over half a tank by now!

    I had reservations about the Pirelli P7s on the 4x4. Their small block tread pattern appeared a recipe for rear end tyre noise. NOT SO, properly inflated at about 37psi anyway. The is clearly less road & tyre noise in this car than the 3T 4x4. I talk about the 4x4, because it was always the rear end which generated mind numbing resonant noise in the cabin of the 3T 4x4, unless you had Contisport3 or Michelin PS3 on it. I've had the car on a variety of road surfaces now & there is minimal noise from road or tyres.

    The car's size is only realised when I put it in my garage. It is as wide & longer than my earlier XR8 Ford. The power hatch gave me a real uppercut the first time I opened it & found the the gap between rear & garage door insufficient for me to get out of the way.

    I have to mention spare parts or dealer fitted accessories. There aren't any. My dealer couldn't get the right mudflaps from Skoda. They'd sent out the old 3T jobs. I rang another Skoda dealer on Friday to enquire about the mudflats, a spare Phoenix alloy. He confirmed there is nothing yet available in Australia. So, don't run over a curb & damage one of your road wheels.

    All in all, this car is a huge leap forward on the 3T. It is everything I hoped it would be. In my opinion, Skoda has responded to the shortcomings of the 3T & fixed them all. The only thing which I hate is, not having a proper spare tyre in the boot. Australia is not Europe. Our suburban & country roads are crap & if you drive in the country often, you are a lot more than 80ks from a tyre dealer stocking a 235/40-19" P7.

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    Re the spare, does the full tyre fit in the well? I know when the Mk3 Octys came out they had a full spare wheel and then later on they went. My RS has a true skinny tyre but the spare wheel toolkit clearly fits into a much bigger tyre and there appears to be proper space there. Our mk2 has a steel wheel that is closer to the actual alloys. I was going to try and get the dealer to include a proper spare but decided I would wait for a wrecker to have something suitable.

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    • #3
      Great review thanks for posting well done


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      • #4
        Yes woofy, a full size spare fits.
        The toy spare has after all to be the same diameter & the depth is there.

        There is not a hint of rattle or squeak anywhere, by the way. I mention that as one motoring writer seemed to focus on that in one Australian review. He reckoned it was the umbrella in the door. Presumably they were the same as mine & they're a very tight fit.

        The windscreen sticker declaration of fuel & emission levels is surprising. It shows the CO2 output from the engine as 169g/k. The Czech configurator site displays 199g/t for the same engine. One of them must be right!
        Last edited by 2009fsi; 02-05-2016, 10:53 AM.

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        • #5
          Curious you have given the ACC a workout already, I only got my car last week but nowhere near the 1500km on the clock where you can start using it. It's hard to say what a geniune full size spare wheel would be as they always quote crazy pricing if you ask. I planned to get one as they were including them with the elegance but then didn't with the RS. Might be a weight saving thing.

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          • #6
            Superb 206TSI Review

            How much is one rim from Skoda?


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            • #7
              Sorry woofy, you referred to ACC & I've muddled the response. It just happened, not planned. The CC/ACC lever is I find, quite difficult to access, buried as it is behind the wheel spoke, below the blinker lever. You have to feel for it. It is quite easy to bump it into ACC ON position, particularly on an uneven road. To me, it is the one bad design feature in the car. You have to take your hand off the wheel & feel for it. Not good.

              I'm told they didn't provide a full size spare to reduce weight in the quest to clock under 6secs. I think $s more likely. If you want to comply with specs on size & specified offset, there is little other choice than to stump up another $700-800 in the spares department. If you look closely, VW has a slightly different offset & an 8.5" width.

              I think it planned that way, Oilburna. It should be possible to get a full size steel fom one of the makers. They usually make to order, with required stud pattern & offset. You can google to find several wheel makers in Oz, What their prices are like, I don't know.
              Last edited by 2009fsi; 03-05-2016, 11:08 AM. Reason: correct response to Q.

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              • #8
                Superb 206Tsi acceleration & top speed demonstrated on a German autobahn.

                Note the low number of Kms on the car. Some poor bugger will likely buy this as a demonstrator, not knowing it is a track thrashed journo fodder.

                New Skoda Superb 2015 2,0 TSI 4x4 - acceleration 0-260 km/h and more dynamic tests - YouTube

                British Journos seem very impressed with the 206, which is termed the 280 (hp) over there. This one fingers it a real wolf in sheep's clothing, certain to dent the egos of a few traffic light pilots in what they think makes them king of dragsters, off the line.

                First drive: Skoda Superb Estate 2.0 TSI 280 4x4 DSG | Car Reviews | by Car Enthusiast

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                • #9
                  Great review thanks!

                  I missed out on an R wagon...(and to be honest, I prefer Skoda cars!)
                  So this is the perfect car for me in a wagon!

                  Can wait for a dealer to have a car to test drive.
                  2018 Ralyee Green RS wagon. Fully optioned.
                  Previous vehicles:2015 Volvo V60 Polestar (my one detour from VW/Skoda!)
                  2013 Platin grey RS wagon / 2012 White Polo GTI / 2009 Black 125 Tiguan

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                  • #10
                    What is the warning light in the video the triangle down the bottom?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tigger View Post
                      Great review thanks!

                      I missed out on an R wagon...(and to be honest, I prefer Skoda cars!)
                      So this is the perfect car for me in a wagon!
                      Can wait for a dealer to have a car to test drive.
                      Trivett Parramatta's demonstrator is a white 206 wagon, Tigger.
                      Just walk in & go for a drive. My mate was there yesterday. He's very interested, but the 8 month wait is too much for him.

                      They also have a new black 206 sedan, beige trim, on the showroom floor. I don't know why, but not listed in their advertising. They probably lost a sale to Alto in the hills because we thought they didn't have any in stock. Peter Warren didn't order any 206s.

                      I'm told the Skoda plan is to reduce the number of dealerships & concentrate on fewer, larger, dedicated dealerships. I suppose Matt's Peninsula Skoda in Frankston fits the mould. If that's their plan, they need to open an e-shop for spares & accessories. NZ has one, why not us?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 2009fsi View Post
                        Superb 206Tsi acceleration & top speed demonstrated on a German autobahn.

                        Note the low number of Kms on the car. Some poor bugger will likely buy this as a demonstrator, not knowing it is a track thrashed journo fodder.
                        Cars do not need to be run in today as we used to have to do or believed we had to. I have never run a modern car in, the latest was a Golf PP we took delivery of about six months ago and I was warned it would need to have the oil topped up from the bottle supplied for that purpose that was with the tool kit. I drove it out of the dealers let it warm up and redlined it straight away and it has never used a drop of oil but I am only relating what I do. My Diesel Superb was treated the same with the same results, no oil use at all from new and now at 130,000 km. Some years ago I had a job that involved ferrying press vehicles for a manufacturer interstate to put some K's on them and see what fell off on the trip and those vehicles were certainly never run in as I didn't own them.

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                        • #13
                          There has long been a school of thought that 'running in' is for the company's benefit. Indeed I once visited a Chrysler assembly plant, where the engines were checked by clipping on a device which misted fuel into the air intake with the foot planted to the floor, while the engine screamed at maximum revs until the half gallon of juice was gone. The donks welcome to life ceremony, I was told.
                          One of the problems of cruise control on express ways & driving in an environmentally friendly way at all times is, cylinder wear which 'lips' the cylinder. It threatens broken rings if such a car is revved hard later.
                          Of course, today's engine management systems map your driving style, ozsko. A trail for future warranty denial, methinks

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                          • #14
                            2150kms on the clock including some longer distance driving on the express ways & country roads.

                            The car remains fantastic. I have changed my Individual Mode setting to Sports Handling & Sports steering with the other settings remain 'normal'. I find this gives me much better 'road feel' & sharpness to handling.

                            Some of the car's Driver Assist software is frustrating. Each will need to fiddle with setting to find what suits them. My pet hate is the way Adaptive Cruise Control automatically engages, whether you like it or not, as you come up behind a car on an express way. The factory setting see it engage & start slowing the car, m 50-400 metres before you get near. I have had to set vehicle distance to the absolute minimum, titled 'very close', for such driving. It really is infuriating, because once engaged, it resets the set speed to the lower figure. ACC might be good on autobahns, but not on our roads where drivers spread across the road like Brown's cows, regardless of speed & intent to overtake. When fiddling with Driver Assist settings, learn Skoda's terminology to avoid turning off what is desirable.

                            The one 'feature' I'd like to get rid of is, Lane Assist functions which keep trying to steer the car into the middle of the marked lane, for you. There is absolutely nothing more frightening than feeling the steering wheel being tugged in your hands, as you are trying to take a precise line into a fast corner, on a typical uneven, potted NSW country road! It is a feature for inattentive drivers & another of those features which have invaded modern cars, like ABS. It is not aimed at improving the car, but substituting for those lacking basic driving skills..

                            With some balance between city & touring I can confirm fuel consumption is on the manufacturers claimed figures of 'City-9.1/open road-6.3 & combined-7.3. That is, as long as you don't spend extended periods giving it heaps in full Sports mode; 11.8 might be more likely, if you do.

                            I must again compare this 206Tsi with the previous 191Fsi V6. This engine is far livelier & responsive when you demand it, than the R36 V6 motor. You put the foot down in this 206 & I guarantee you will be 20kms faster than you wished, before you realise. Where the motor & DSG do get caught short is on a steepening road, when on cruise control at 100kph, in D6, with the engine around 2k-2.5k revs. The 2.0l doesn't have the torque to respond in that situation. It tries to hang onto the higher gear too long & will lose 10-20k/hr of momentum before changing. The answer to avoid this is for 'road aware' drivers, to give the DSG a flick into Sports mode on approach to such sneaky rises. Wake it from its slumber.

                            Every time I start the car, the first thing I do is, disable 'Engine Stop-Start'. It is too tardy restarting & waking up the DSG. It strikes me, this is a big contributor to slow traffic movement at light changes. I have to think about this, but I suspect Start-Stop is not really a genuine 'green' feature. Sure it will cut tested emissions from an idling engine, while no kilometres are being clocked. But in an electronics intensive vehicle, demanding many engine restarts in traffic, there must surely be a broader environmental cost to tardy traffic flows, increased load on generators for battery charging. Sure it will reduce the figures for one vehicle tested in isolation; but I question its environmental value in the broader scheme of things.

                            I previously made comment on the Pirreli P7 tyres being surprisingly quiet on the road. That is true on smooth surfaces, but on coarser gravelled asphalt roads over the weekend, they were as disturbingly noisy at the back end; as bad as Dunlop Sports Maxxx proved to be on my 3T V6 4x4. Mind numbingly resonant! At this stage, I'll keep them, after all they're new & 235/40/19tyres ain't cheap. If the diabolical & rhythmic howl in the back continues when we're cruising in the country, the Pirellis will likely bite the dust & be replaced by ContiSport3s or Michelin PS3s. Noise abatement is one area Europe cars tend to fall well short on our variable surfaces.

                            This follow up is intended to give some pointers in finding personal preferences in setting up & driving a 206. Make no mistake, this is a fantastic car. The tyres are the one thing I think fall short, undoubtedly magnified by the 4x4s active rear end.
                            Last edited by 2009fsi; 09-05-2016, 09:43 PM. Reason: spelling & omitted preps

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                            • #15
                              Your dislike of all the driver assist, active cruise control etc is exactly why I want one. I drive 95% of the time on multi lane roads for long distances and I have found the ACC on the Golf very good. On my Superb I am constantly on and off the cruise control trying to allow for cars that vary in speed etc and the ACC on the Golf takes all that away. I can also drive the Golf in stop start traffic with no input from me except to press the resume button or manually start it off if necessary and it makes stop start traffic a doddle to drive in. The engine stop start is what it is and after a while is not even noticed or at least I don't notice it. I don't think I would worry too much about the suspension stuff as I have never regarded the Superb as that type of car, if I want to go for a quick drive I choose the PP because it is that type of car but then not everyone has a choice.

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