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  • VRS 2007 issues with surging

    Hi All,

    Have searched the site but thought i'd post up my problem as you maybe able to assist.

    I just got my 2007 VRS 2.0l petrol manual and have noticed in the last weeks or so that under accelaration there is a stutter or surge like feeling. I am new to turbo cars and have read about boost leaks and such but not sure if this surging / stutter in power is what it would feel like.

    Could it be plugs or coil packs?

    I am in South East Melbourne is there somewhere you would recommend i go to get them to check it out?

    Thanks in advance

    Danny
    Last edited by Danny_VRS; 20-01-2016, 06:24 PM.

  • #2
    Is the car standard ? Surging is usually associated with running lean, is the car running hot ?
    2014 MY14 Corrida Red Elegance Wagon TDI
    2009 MY10 Race Blue RS Wagon TSI 6 sp. manual. (Gone)
    2011 MY12 Yeti 77 TSI DSG.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Danny_VRS View Post
      have noticed in the last weeks or so that under accelaration there is a stutter or surge like feeling.
      Stutter (hesitation) and surge (sudden power) are completely opposite - perhaps you could better describe what's happening?

      If you are in a high gear and nail the throttle to the floor there can be a pause/delay while the DSG makes the "unanticipated" gear change (1.1 seconds) - this can feel odd and you will get a significant surge of acceleration once it's in the right gear - you can avoid this by manually dropping down a few gears, then you are ready to go
      2012.1 Skoda Octavia VRS DSG Wagon - Carbonio cold air intake and pipe - HPA Motorsports BBK 355mm rotors 6 pot calipers
      APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
      APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
      Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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      • #4
        its completely stock, and a manual.
        The sensation is no power, but comes in blips through the rev range. Was fine when i bought it a month ago and now not so.

        I am only assuming boost leak on what i have read, but still not sure.

        Will likely take it to a mechanic to check it out, but was kinda hoping it was an easy diy fix

        Cheers

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        • #5
          Smoke test should pick up any leaks. I'd check the DV cause does the 2007 model have the older DV?

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          • #6
            Hmmm, a boost leak throws a CEL
            Coil pack failure (normally number 3) has a much more significant impact (very common on cars that have a performance ECU flash)

            How many km on the clock?
            Does it run rough on the first start of the day?
            Last edited by Martin; 22-01-2016, 10:15 AM.
            2012.1 Skoda Octavia VRS DSG Wagon - Carbonio cold air intake and pipe - HPA Motorsports BBK 355mm rotors 6 pot calipers
            APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
            APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
            Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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            • #7
              I've got some coil packs handy if the 2.0 tsi (147) is the same as yours and you want to borrow to swap out for troubleshooting. I have the same issue in a 2012 vRS but it's a DSG and only problematic with a bluefin tune, and fine in S mode...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Danny_VRS View Post
                Hi All,



                I am in South East Melbourne is there somewhere you would recommend i go to get them to check it out?

                Thanks in advance

                Danny


                I take all my VAG cars to Auto Union Deutch in Oakleigh.
                2001 - A4 B6 1.8T Sedan Manual - (sold @ 254,000km)
                2008 - A3 8P 1.9tdi Sportback Manual - (sold 90,000kms)

                2013 - Octavia RS wagon - 1z - Race Blue - TDI - 6M - Leather - MDI - Whispbar S44W - LED interior kit - RVC forward?/retrofit - Mk3 gear shifter
                2021 - Q3 S-Line wagon - F3 - Daytona Grey - Westfalia towbar - no other options available.

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                • #9
                  Mines booked in at Volkservice Braeside for the first time in a few weeks. Will let you know how it goes. I've always heard good things about Auto Union Deutsche as well...

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                  • #10
                    Thanks everyone, I have also booked in at Volkservice Braeside this Friday.

                    After reading Martin's post i think it could be coil packs, this is my first turbo so straight away thought boost leak but feels like coil packs to me.
                    How do i know if the ECU has been flashed? is there a way i can tell?

                    Will let you all know what they say at Volkservice

                    Danny

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                    • #11
                      No, coil pack failure has much larger impact and symptoms, you would not be driving it around with coil pack failure.

                      (Flashing the ECU is done for more power - APR, Recode, etc)
                      2012.1 Skoda Octavia VRS DSG Wagon - Carbonio cold air intake and pipe - HPA Motorsports BBK 355mm rotors 6 pot calipers
                      APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
                      APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
                      Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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                      • #12
                        I understand why the ECU is flashed, but is there a way to tell. Not having driven a GTI or VRS before i have no base line for performance.

                        Will see what the mechanic says, either way i hope its an easy fix

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                        • #13
                          if somebody is driving behind you a black haze from the exhaust, especially during the gear change, is an indication of a tuned/flashed ECU

                          Otherwise, without a benchmark a stage 1 tune may not be obvious (a stage 2 tune is fairly obvious as it's rather aggressive)
                          2012.1 Skoda Octavia VRS DSG Wagon - Carbonio cold air intake and pipe - HPA Motorsports BBK 355mm rotors 6 pot calipers
                          APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
                          APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
                          Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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                          • #14
                            Ok, so got it fixed.

                            It was cylinder 3 coil pack.

                            Drives great now. Andrew at Volkservice was very helpful and fast.

                            Thanks for all your help guys

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                            • #15
                              Great to hear on both fronts. I swapped my coil packs for the red top ones, going to get some logging done but I suspect my tune doesn't play well with the DSG since it's fine in S mode and when shifting manually...

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