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  • Driving 147TSI DSG

    Hi all,

    Ok after now having driven my near new VRS 147 TSI DSG for 2 weeks Im starting to take notice of the shift habits of the DSG.

    Ive come from a 2001 Holden Wagon V6 Auto so BIG change, love the DSG in the VRS! its a gearbox for me and the wife! However I've noticed when driving in D and slowing down to a near stop mainly on a slight incline <5km/h then accelerating again DSG will stay in D2 when I feel it should shift back to D1. The only reason I feel this is that it has the same engine feel as if I was driving a manual and riding the clutch in second gear rather than first.

    Can anyone share their experiences or thoughts on this with the 147 TSI DSG, does your DSG shift back to D1 earlier or is what I'm experiencing the norm, maybe its just that I'm paranoid or something knowing the potential problems with a DSG box.

    MGT

  • #2
    that's normal.....i believe.

    mine stays in d2 for as long as it can before 'having' to shift down to 1st.
    if i try to do the exact same thing (same intersection, same speed) in manual mode, it will most certainly drop down to 1st much earlier.
    in start stop traffic, mine likes to stay in d2 whenever possible.
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    • #3
      I agree that this appears to be normal.

      It does irritate me when you try to make a swift getaway from a roundabout or give way sign and it feels exactly like a slipping clutch. I have kind of gotten used to simply tapping the down paddle when I think it might happen.

      I am looking a Viezu tune at some point and with the tune it comes with a basic DSG remap that can be tailored to your driving style. I want this purely for the purpose of more rapid kickdown through the gears.
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      • #4
        Ok thanks guys,

        Yeah had the same thing happen at a round about today will have to use the paddles more in that situation, loving the DSG though don't think I will ever go back.

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        • #5
          The DSG will never shift back to 1st until you're pretty much stopped.

          The behaviour can be changed... for a price:


          With the upgrade on my car it now shifts back down to 1st at around 17kph
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          • #6
            yup its normal!

            using S mode will shift into 1st around 8-15km/h.

            if you want first gear, hit the paddle and force it to 1st

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            • #7
              Normal for a DSG, as I am learning.

              Not really loving the gearbox

              I want my manual RS back
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MGT View Post
                it has the same engine feel as if I was driving a manual and riding the clutch in second gear rather than first.
                II don't believe it is slipping the clutch at all

                Remember it's a turbo, much more torque over a wider rpm range
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                • #9
                  Driving 147TSI DSG

                  Originally posted by Martin View Post
                  II don't believe it is slipping the clutch at all

                  Remember it's a turbo, much more torque over a wider rpm range
                  Not as you're slowing down but as you go to take off again, it will be slipping quite a bit. Try taking off from 5kph in second in a conventional manual without plenty of clutch slip.

                  As Ryan has pointed out, Harding Performance now has a DSG tune available for the DQ200 dsg in your car which fixes this issue. What you are describing is the number 2 clutch's worst enemy and why they burn out so quickly. The other situation that is bad for them, is peak hour traffic, period. So much so that if you buy a dq200 equipped vehicle in the Netherlands I think it is,VW won't cover the dsg under the warranty the vehicle is to be used as a taxi because the genius that designed this gearbox for the advantages of a dry clutch, obviously never tested it in real life situations like 99% of the buyers drive in because why else do the clutches get fried so easily, even in the low powered vehicles with this gearbox?! The clutches get too hot and once they get over 160 degrees (from memory) they're pretty much toast.
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                  • #10
                    I drive my DSG in rush hour traffic everyday - I've never felt it slipping when pulling in second from a crawl
                    With the ECU in stock mode the engine will labour on a low rpm pull in 2nd
                    With the ECU In stage2 mode it will pull smoothly from ~1200 rpm
                    With both there is no feeling of a differential between road speed and engine RPM
                    (Firmware versions may have a lot to do with it)

                    I am however considering the Harding DSG firmware - but for other reasons (like the stage2 torque rating)
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                    APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
                    APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
                    Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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                    • #11
                      the DQ200 is the 7speed dry-clutch DSG, we have a DQ250 6speed wet-clutch.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zei20t View Post
                        the DQ200 is the 7speed dry-clutch DSG, we have a DQ250 6speed wet-clutch.
                        +1.
                        i was just about to say that.
                        in the octavia range, i believe only the rs & the scout has the dsg6.
                        the rest have the dsg7.

                        most of the issues and vw apologies/recalls r related to the dsg7, not the dsg6.
                        the dsg6 has its fair share of problems, but nowhere near that compared to the dsg7.
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                        • #13
                          Driving 147TSI DSG

                          Originally posted by Martin View Post
                          I drive my DSG in rush hour traffic everyday - I've never felt it slipping when pulling in second from a crawl
                          With the ECU in stock mode the engine will labour on a low rpm pull in 2nd
                          With the ECU In stage2 mode it will pull smoothly from ~1200 rpm
                          With both there is no feeling of a differential between road speed and engine RPM
                          (Firmware versions may have a lot to do with it)

                          I am however considering the Harding DSG firmware - but for other reasons (like the stage2 torque rating)
                          You won't feel it slipping because the computer controls the amount of slip, it is however still slipping, it has to otherwise the motor will stall. Remember that unlike a conventional manual, the entire way that the clutch is working is the complete opposite, there is nothing mechanical holding the clutch, it's an electro hydraulic solenoid allowing fluid into a piston, this piston when a gear is engaged is constantly being adjusted as you speed up from take off to let the clutch slip enough to let you get going without wasting the drive of the motor at the same time. Once required, full pressure pushes the clutch on as hard as possible, then it starts again. You can actually see the clutch slip figures in VCDS as you're driving.

                          RE DQ designation, yes I know, I forgot I was in a thread about the RS. Trust me, I've enough legal bulltish about these gearboxes over the last 9months I reckon I could pull a dq200 down just as quickly as a trained tech!
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                          • #14
                            Thanks for the heads up Gav - very interesting
                            All I can say is the DSG works very well during normal usage

                            (We went for a "enthusiastic" drive today - even in sport mode my DSG was changing up/down frequently, this was not needed imo and it was happening at inconvientient times - for the first time ever I switched to manual!)
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                            APR Stage II ECU - APR 3" exhaust down pipe & high flow catalyst
                            APR/HP Roll bars - Eibach springs and Bilstien shocks
                            Supaloy lower control arms - Enkei 18*8 Wheels

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                            • #15
                              77TDI; 103TDI; 125TDI have DSG6
                              147TSI also has DSG6

                              90TSI; 118TSI have DSG7. Probably to do with torque figures...
                              Also - 77TDI has M5!!
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