7DSG - Clutch packs getting replaced

[Antiplastix]

Thank god my vRS has a real gear box. The Yeti we have is the 77 tsi with the 7 speed DSG ,is this the same box ?

[woofy]

Yes re the Yeti. I didn't buy a Superb because I had concerns with the DSG in it. If they had a manual I would have got one for sure. Our Octy we intentionally got the manual, the DSGs had just come out but I had heard by then of the issues.

[wai]

Yes re the Yeti. I didn't buy a Superb because I had concerns with the DSG in it. If they had a manual I would have got one for sure. Our Octy we intentionally got the manual, the DSGs had just come out but I had heard by then of the issues.

The issue with the DSG is in its implementation. It would appear that something has gone wrong with how things have been done.

Things like electrolytic corrosion and overheating the mechatronics oil are basic issues that should have been picked up well before the gearboxes were released. Somewhere, someone has make a judgement "what are the chances this would cause a problem" and decided to go with things. Management systems are to blame when such decisions are allowed. I participated in a webinar on Agile (a management tool) where one of the principles of Agile was stated as "prompt delivery of product over comprehensive documentation". I now understand why products are released before they are ready. The delivery schedule is all important and if a problem is identified, they will fix it with a patch or upgrade/update.

Well, it might be possible to barely get away with this in some areas, but it can bite you big time in others. Manufacturers want to get product out the door.

It is like new cars these days. They are designed to be manufactured cheaply, not to be serviced easily. You see, it costs the manufacturer if it is not easy or cheap to manufacture the car. Service costs are the responsibility of the buyer. It does not matter that it will cost more to service the car because the buyer will pay for it.

[dagget]

Yes re the Yeti. I didn't buy a Superb because I had concerns with the DSG in it. If they had a manual I would have got one for sure. Our Octy we intentionally got the manual, the DSGs had just come out but I had heard by then of the issues.

Thats interesting, we also intentionally got a manual mainly because of reports of DSG issues but also because I like manual cars. We actually avoided buying a nice Fabia wagon because of the DSG. Did test drive a DSG octy but still went for a manual.

[donweather]

After driving a DSG Tiggy last week (loan car when dropping my Occy in for a service) I would never ever buy a DSG car. Couldn't stand driving it in "D" mode. And "S" mode was "too sporty" when just driving around normally. For me, ya kinda needed a "H" mode which would be the "Happy" mode somewhere between the current D and S modes.

For example, S mode didn't shift out of 5th gear, even when cruising at 100 on the highway. Noting it was a 7 speed gear box, this just seemed ludicrous to me.

Anyway, glad I bought the manual. Had to find the last one (in blue) in Aus though!!!

[PassatB6]

I have barely heard of a problem with DSG in Skodas even overseas. I would have no hesitation in buying a Skoda with DSG.

[woofy]

Thats interesting, we also intentionally got a manual mainly because of reports of DSG issues but also because I like manual cars. We actually avoided buying a nice Fabia wagon because of the DSG. Did test drive a DSG octy but still went for a manual.

In the case of the RS Octy, we would have got a manual either way because we prefer it in that type of car. With the superb I would have been fine with an auto, but not the 7 speed DSG. In that case, it literally did cost them a sale.

[woofy]

I have barely heard of a problem with DSG in Skodas even overseas. I would have no hesitation in buying a Skoda with DSG.

I should add, I have a cousin who was a VW tech and these days has been an Audi tech for the last 2 yrs, he forewarned me. He also told me something quite disturbing about one of the engines as well.

[Ocy_RS_TDi_Kombi]

He also told me something quite disturbing about one of the engines as well.

Please elaborate........

[PassatB6]

I should add, I have a cousin who was a VW tech and these days has been an Audi tech for the last 2 yrs, he forewarned me. He also told me something quite disturbing about one of the engines as well.

Its not showing up in the reliability surveys for Skoda.

[bobski]

Well, it might be possible to barely get away with this in some areas, but it can bite you big time in others. Manufacturers want to get product out the door.

I get your meaning, but I doubt very much a car manufacturer would implement an agile type release early release often methodology for their engineering processes. Pushing a patch out to software is easy and us software devs usually start by contemplating how to update our software once its in the wild (or those of us that want to deliver a product do!), pushing a fix out to a mechanical product is much more costly and difficult. (and hey, if I screw up a couple of lines of code, very few people are going to die). And if they were to use agile, they'd fix it immediately after identification as it would be the first thing the product owner would identify to fix, because its far cheaper to fix it with 100k cars in the wild than 10 million.

I reckon in this case it boils down to VW took the road of fingers in the ears "it is not happening" because they could clearly see the impact it would have on the bottom line (and all products have whats deemed as an acceptable failure rate). Its when they get linked to potential deaths that their fingers pop magically out of the ears (as it would me if my code was killing people - actually I'm a developer - so "it works for me and I did not die using it" is my standard response ).

[Makk]

I have barely heard of a problem with DSG in Skodas even overseas. I would have no hesitation in buying a Skoda with DSG.

Unfortunately my 1.8 TSI Octavia with 7 speed DSG failed on me while I was driving through Brisbane city. After getting towed to the dealer, they replaced the mechatronic unit.
Then a little while later, I received a recall notice and the clutch pack and firmware were upgraded...sine then the car has been trouble free (although it was trouble free when I first bought it too )
Not sure if this is exactly what the current recall entails...?

[K1W1]

Not sure if this is exactly what the current recall entails...?

If you are the original owner and the recall applies to your car you will get a letter from Skoda explaining what you need to do. No letter = no worry.

[MrGadget]

Hi, I have had my RS DSG wagon for about a month now and so far I love the DSG. I leave it in D and find it works well for me but I should try out S mode and see what difference it makes. My other car is a MKV DSG GTI, I'm not sure if the DSG is exactly the same between the 2 cars but the GTI is definetly not as smooth as the DSG in the RS (even though the GTI has nearly 90,000km on it, the DSG feels the same as the day I got it). I still love the GTI, it always puts a smile on my face and I hope I don't get any major issues.

[woofy]

Please elaborate........

You have the diesel, it wasn't the diesel series of engines. I can't recall properly what it was, but I was glad I had a pre face lift petrol Octavia at the time. As Audis tend to be the testing grounds and Skoda take the conservative route, it could well have more applied to their variants moreso than what Skoda use. To be honest my brain is so foggy today I can barely recall properly what it was and don't want to scare monger more than the DSG already is.