A4/B6 1.8T Motec Advice

[JVLR32]

Just for a second hand Motec interface $6500 that was on www.my105.com then u have to buy the ECU with sensors to suit ur application M800-80 eg. $7 to 10k if i remember right....mind u top of the line!

I went for the EMS 8860 bought a yeasr ago 3k and running a Defi control and interface...which i cant rem a price...this will run a VR6 24v motor

The only ECUs i like a EMS,
Autronic which is run by the previous brains of Motec,
Motec....way to dear

[parso_rex]

No thats just the ECU itself. You'd be brave to quote for the whole job in one lot unless you done that vehicle before
You'd quote supply of ECU -at a fixed cost. Then install including all wiring to the sensors and so forth would be upon quotation. Finally tuning would be a fixed base plus a reducing rate depending on how far you wanted to go.

For tuning the real time ECU's really make it so much simpler. If I was to do the same with a factory ECU Its a process of flash after flash and so on. With some cars these days taking 30 mins per flash thats not really cost effective althoug in reality you wouldn't charge the customer but it holds up the dyno and other stuff.
Of course you were only opting for a shelf stage 1 or 2 tune with the matching components then it isn't an issue and In this case as its an earlier model ECU you could use an emulator and drastically reduce times

I hope that makes some sense

[parso_rex]

Just for a second hand Motec interface $6500 that was on www.my105.com then u have to buy the ECU with sensors to suit ur application M800-80 eg. $7 to 10k if i remember right....mind u top of the line!

I went for the EMS 8860 bought a yeasr ago 3k and running a Defi control and interface...which i cant rem a price...this will run a VR6 24v motor

The only ECUs i like a EMS,
Autronic which is run by the previous brains of Motec,
Motec....way to dear

Wow I was thinking 5K tops. with the Motecs you have to option things in like cam timing and other stuff which can add up. i can find out pricing on these too.
I haven't played with the EMS's but I know a lot of guys swear by them. same goes for the Vipec (rebadged Link)

[JVLR32]

Wow I was thinking 5K tops. with the Motecs you have to option things in like cam timing and other stuff which can add up. i can find out pricing on these too.
I haven't played with the EMS's but I know a lot of guys swear by them. same goes for the Vipec (rebadged Link)

think u will find a Motec 400 i think its called might be that 5k mk
So link is now called Vipec...

[parso_rex]

think u will find a Motec 400 i think its called might be that 5k mk
So link is now called Vipec...

I think you might be right.
RE Vipec, nope there is still Link but Vipec is being marketted here by the ex Autronic distibutor Ray Hall up in QLD. I believe they are going to/do have some extra software features however, same hardware and firmware though.
A funny thing happend Ray used to be the man when it came to anything Autronic but it ended in tears after Autronic didn't like what was happening with their standalone ECU's overseas. Ray and some others were converting the standalone ECU's to handle DBW with an additonal 3rd party interface (see http://www.tfelectronics.com.au/index.html) plus some other features then selling them as Autronics. In theory the product was good but it was not as designed by Autronic. DBW in itself is a very difficult thing to sort out as you need so many safeguards in place otherwise things could go very very wrong indeed. I think Motec is the only one I'd trust in this area atm
Silly things if you ask me but both sides have their opinions and both are still well respected.

Something else to look at is the Hydra Nemesis as I believe these will soon be released for some older VW models in the states, they support DBW. We don't have these here yet but I'm helping set one up in an 07 STI in the next month or so. They seem to be OK

Mark

[JVLR32]

Its goin to come down how refine of the software of tuning to prove there good enough Mark.....Thats why Motec is on top of its class

[gccooper]

Hi,

Just to steel my thread back.

I have discovered that the ECU is more programmable than I first thought, BUT to program it, it is not available to the average joe.

I spoke to autronic, they were very helpful and I would recommend them for anyone to talk to them. They told me that they currently did not have the facilities to support wire accelerator pedals (though one is under development).

The motec option to run all the sensors is probable a M800 plus the accel module, plus the wiring harness plus possible some others. This is looks to be around $4000. If you do not do the wiring yourself add another $2000 plus. Having got the system connected, you are looking at 5 to 6 hours on dyno for tuning for a typical setup. This is the best system I have found for the ultimate setup.

Hope me investigations help.

I would like to thank the people on this forum and others for the advice and support as the advice and support has been fantastic.

Regards
Glenn.

[parso_rex]

Sorry about your thread we just got a bit carried away.
I know of two tuners in Sydney (no not us) who are familiar with the Motecs DBW setup. Its still very new in fact even Motec lacks some proper basefiles related to this. I will be looking at one of these setups at a dyno day at the end of the month at Miranda. I know it took a long time to get right

There is another option you could consider and thats replacing the throttle body with a cable version - if thats indeed possible. This may not suit your particular setup of course but if its does it might simplify things a great deal. It may seem backward but this is actually quite common and no DBW tuning is required, it just works.
You'll be happy with a motec no question

Just a few more things to think about anyway

Mark

[JVLR32]

Hi,

Just to steel my thread back.

I have discovered that the ECU is more programmable than I first thought, BUT to program it, it is not available to the average joe.

I spoke to autronic, they were very helpful and I would recommend them for anyone to talk to them. They told me that they currently did not have the facilities to support wire accelerator pedals (though one is under development).

The motec option to run all the sensors is probable a M800 plus the accel module, plus the wiring harness plus possible some others. This is looks to be around $4000. If you do not do the wiring yourself add another $2000 plus. Having got the system connected, you are looking at 5 to 6 hours on dyno for tuning for a typical setup. This is the best system I have found for the ultimate setup.

Hope me investigations help.

I would like to thank the people on this forum and others for the advice and support as the advice and support has been fantastic.

Regards
Glenn.

The question is ...are u goin to use the all the options of the Motec software?

[mk1turbo79]

If your looking for a standalone that will work the DBW throttle it is worth looking at the vi-pec v88. it is cheaper than the motec m800 and has an easier program to use. From their website it seams as though you have to pay for the 'extras' like data logging, wide band lambda, traction control. They are all standard in the V88.

[Jmac]

Who does that set up mate???
Jmac

[mk1turbo79]

There are a few guys in most states.

http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/dealer_list.htm#newsouthwales

[Jmac]

Thanks mate. more info we get the better
Jmac

[coby]

I'm running a vi-pec v88 in my 5 cylinder Audi, I installed it myself without any real complication and it'd going great. I think I've probably used a bit over half the inputs and outputs so still plenty of room for expansion such as anti lag.

I also got it running enough to drive it myself and I've never done anything like this before so yes, it's got very user friendly interface.

Mine cost about $2500 with a 5 bar MAP sensor and a few other sensors back in about August. Full tune including cold start is about $800 -$1100 depending on where you go.

From memory Autronic won't and can't give you any instructions or anything which means it's basically impossible to install it yourself.

Link is pretty much the same as vi-pec (may be a few firmware upgrades behind) but it doesn't have the after sales support that vi-pec has. But yes they are very, very similar I found all this out after I bought my vi-pec.

I'll let you know how the final tune goes when I don't have wrist pins sliding out making grooves up my bores

[parso_rex]

From memory Autronic won't and can't give you any instructions or anything which means it's basically impossible to install it yourself.

There was a period where it was hard to obtain a manual for sure but recent ones do exist on the support forum.
located here -> http://www.mrm-racing.se/forum/index.php
The benefit of course being run by Europeans, you are quite likely to come across another user with a similar setup. I've used this forum occasionally and have had incredibly helpful responses.
Anyway It seems like there are several, more than capable options available.