APR Open Day - Melbourne 13th November

[vwthunder]

Anyway I am leaving this here, no point this getting out of control, if you want to pay double the price of a exhaust for a brand name thats fine, everyone buys what they like. I just dont know if it will be twice as good

Im sure vans $1000 system is just as good, might not be a shiny, but you cant really see it under the car anyway

[WABIT]

far out! are you guys serious! they opened up their doors that day to people and gave offers.... bad luck if you missed out... end of story, how old are you all? seriously...

ive never heard grown men winge about crap like this before, its only a software flash.... dont stress about it people! im ****in glad my motor is k-jetronic!

dom

[NabzGTI]

I beleive you get what you pay for.
Check out "in person" what an Xforce actually looks like and how they are made. Look at its general quality.
Dont forget also that pretty much most "cheap" Xforce systems are notstainless steel!

Yeah sure there are products out there much cheaper to cater for the "cheap charlie" buyer. Tight asses basically.

If you can't afford the "good gear", then by all means the cheaper has to do.

I dont know what X-FORCE system you've seen, but the one I bought for my mk5 gti is just as good as any APR or Miltek exhaust. It's a 3 inch all the way through, FULL stainless steel, TIG welded, high flow cat, turbo back exhaust which sounds great. And for the price of the Miltek cat-back, I bought the full system installed. As someone said earlier, its not tight ass.. its smart.

[VW Convert]

The issue for me is that the comparison was made between an APR exhaust system that does exist and an Xforce exhaust system that does not exist. Xforce do not make a system to suit the application because they have not spent the time and money to develop one so the comparison is not valid. No one knows how much Xforce would charge if they developed a system to suit.

[NabzGTI]

The issue for me is that the comparison was made between an APR exhaust system that does exist and an Xforce exhaust system that does not exist. Xforce do not make a system to suit the application because they have not spent the time and money to develop one so the comparison is not valid. No one knows how much Xforce would charge if they developed a system to suit.

I agree. It is a shame they dont make them for anything other than Mk5 GTI.. Because in my opinion, I think its a pretty decent product.

[Buller_Scott]

Agree, you usually get what you pay for and funny people cheap out after paying 60-70k for a car.

Custom jobs are hit and miss, and often not any cheaper but nothing stopping people giving it a go or going with a cheaper exhaust that may drone etc.

Good grammar too..

this thread makes for interesting reading.

the price argument is intriguing as it seems APR would have you believe the reason that a $600usd tune in the states, when downloaded to a car in australia, now costs $1600 REGARDLESS of the fact that our dollar is now stronger, is because of all the local R&D that our local environment necessitate. because our climate is hotter etc, minute adjustments must be made in order to preserve the longevity of the engines etc etc....

what- so APR customers in florida, arizona, georgia etc all have to pay MORE for different tunes to cope with the hotter / more humid weather? well.... that doesnt seem to mesh...

as for "custom jobs" - i thought the apr downpipes were fabricated at an exhaust shop in brisbane, last i heard? what can they do that someone like mr muffler in melbourne, cant? your post reads as though less $$$ = more drone... peculiar.

it's funny how there are some who, and quite naturally, in the process of defending their choice of vendor, would accuse others of "cheaping out", as though market competition is a bad thing. rag on ssman's grammar all you want, but the bottom line is he WANTS the best product, he WANTS his pog to realise its true potential, with its bulletproof 20v 1.8... haha. it'd be hilarious to think that a golf gti / R owner with a mere stage one cable-into-the-obd-port-for-20-mins-then-bye-bye, would smirk at someone who has basically been told "we cant help you anymore" by... ehem... a certain vendor, because they wouldnt be able to address the mods that he's done to his car, and the parts he's fabricated HIMSELF, because it's not on the product menu.

FAB_R, as for ''tight asses''..... 60-70k on a car..... that's what van (ssman) spent on JUST MODS to his dodge cummins...

it'd probably be prudent not to bandy about terms like "cheapo" and "tight ass" when referring to other forum members whom you dont know, eh?

lastly why are you calling yourself an el-cheapo tight ass? your posts are... confusing.

they read like you're some sort of elitist, and yet you yourself, are calling yourself, a tightass....

because if you cant afford real BBS, then replicas will have to do? oh wait... no.... you were simply doing what ssman is doing... being a little wiser with your finances.

[VW Convert]

this thread makes for interesting reading.

the price argument is intriguing as it seems APR would have you believe the reason that a $600usd tune in the states, when downloaded to a car in australia, now costs $1600 REGARDLESS of the fact that our dollar is now stronger, is because of all the local R&D that our local environment necessitate. because our climate is hotter etc, minute adjustments must be made in order to preserve the longevity of the engines etc etc....

what- so APR customers in florida, arizona, georgia etc all have to pay MORE for different tunes to cope with the hotter / more humid weather? well.... that doesnt seem to mesh...

APR have invested significantly in local development, I remember reading Guy_H’s posts regarding having a team from APR here for a couple of weeks for that purpose. There is an argument that that local conditions do merit specific product development, for example the recent issues with 118TSI engines that caused failures of a number of engines that lead to VW re-programming the ECU’s in Australia to prevent further occurences. Our conditions are different and the difference is not limited to temperature etc.

as for "custom jobs" - i thought the apr downpipes were fabricated at an exhaust shop in brisbane, last i heard? what can they do that someone like mr muffler in melbourne, cant?

I don’t know if that is correct but rather than having a go at APR for being too expensive, surely the appropriate course of action is to go to Mr Muffler and get what they want made.

it's funny how there are some who, and quite naturally, in the process of defending their choice of vendor, would accuse others of "cheaping out", as though market competition is a bad thing.

Competition is the driver of pricing, if APR are too expensive as is being implied they won’t stay in business will they? So far, being “expensive” does not seem to be affecting their market position.
I would state my neutrality here as I did not modify my Jetta and have no intention to modify my current Eos, I’m happy with the car standard.

it'd probably be prudent not to bandy about terms like "cheapo" and "tight ass" when referring to other forum members whom you dont know, eh?

I agree with these thoughts, it is insulting and counter productive. We should be able to agree to disagree without name calling.
What really gets up my nose about this thread is that an open day put on by APR has been turned into a “bag APR” thread. It is insulting to Guy_H who whilst running a business often lends his expertise at no cost to members of this forum.
The reality is that everybody has choices to make when buying a product, one may choose a Bluefin or GIAC flash, another may see value in an APR flash, we should each make those choices and leave it at that.

[G-rig]

the price argument is intriguing as it seems APR would have you believe the reason that a $600usd tune in the states, when downloaded to a car in australia, now costs $1600 REGARDLESS of the fact that our dollar is now stronger, is because of all the local R&D that our local environment necessitate.

So what happens when our dollar is weaker again, people won't like a price increase and not that many companies or shops adjust the price so frequently depending on what the dollar is doing.

as for "custom jobs" - i thought the apr downpipes were fabricated at an exhaust shop in brisbane, last i heard? what can they do that someone like mr muffler in melbourne, cant? your post reads as though less $$$ = more drone... peculiar.

Some APR products are from the states, others are custom made. Nothing against custom jobs but i know they do a lot more testing than the average joe blogs doing a one off custom job where the results are a bit hit and miss etc.

because if you cant afford real BBS, then replicas will have to do? oh wait... no.... you were simply doing what ssman is doing... being a little wiser with your finances.

I don't have BBS wheels (genuine or replicas), you must be confused with someone else. I have nothing against cheaper or other brands etc, but everyones mileage may vary and a lot of Japanese products/brands may not be suitable with our cars. X-force dont even make a full exhaust for the Golf in this comparison anyway as someone pointed out.

Hardly the thread for bagging the people who put on an open day anyway.

[Transporter]

No point of badmouthing the product, if you don't want to spend money or can't afford it. If it's too expensive for you, then don't post somebody else's comments about the quality, since it is not your experience.

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